Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Likely Back in Macau in November, Says Koncz

[LA_2_Vegas]

Both Macau fights did around 475 k ppv buys according to HBO vice president hershman right here on boxing scene. Very good numbers when you consider the popularity of the opponents and the fact it was in china.

Top rank also gets something like 15 million dollar site fee to host the event in china which is triple the usual.

On top of that Manny pulls super bowl type of numbers I china. 48 million watched his last fight.

On top of that Manny controls t.v. Rights to his fights in the phillipines. Almost the whole country of 200 million people watch his fights, usually in theatres.

On top of that Manny gets a considerable tax break by fighting in china where the top tier is only about 13% compared to the 40 percent in the states.

Please explain why he shouldn't fight over there? I am very curious to know

I think it's well understood why he fights over there. There's nothing inherently wrong with it - it's just that n this case though we are supposed to be under the impression he is negotiating with Floyd to make the fight and putting out other dates for his schedule this year makes it seem like Arum is not operating in good faith.

[jjsmyth87]

I think it's well understood why he fights over there. There's nothing inherently wrong with it - it's just that n this case though we are supposed to be under the impression he is negotiating with Floyd to make the fight and putting out other dates for his schedule this year makes it seem like Arum is not operating in good faith.

You better believe both of them need to have plan b options in case it falls through. Mayweather even contacted cottos team to try to fight him, I would say that would be considered not negotiating in good faith. Saying he's probably fighting again in Macau in November and if he doesn't get the mayweather fight will fight in April in the states is not saying anything about the negotiations.

[megadeth]

Both Macau fights did around 475 k ppv buys according to HBO vice president hershman right here on boxing scene. Very good numbers when you consider the popularity of the opponents and the fact it was in china.

Top rank also gets something like 15 million dollar site fee to host the event in china which is triple the usual.

On top of that Manny pulls super bowl type of numbers I china. 48 million watched his last fight.

On top of that Manny controls t.v. Rights to his fights in the phillipines. Almost the whole country of 200 million people watch his fights, usually in theatres.

On top of that Manny gets a considerable tax break by fighting in china where the top tier is only about 13% compared to the 40 percent in the states.

Please explain why he shouldn't fight over there? I am very curious to know

Why is it that he should be believed, but Espinoza shouldn't? Pac pays alot more than 13% when fighting in Macau.

[Robbie Barrett]

Both Macau fights did around 475 k ppv buys according to HBO vice president hershman right here on boxing scene. Very good numbers when you consider the popularity of the opponents and the fact it was in china.

Top rank also gets something like 15 million dollar site fee to host the event in china which is triple the usual.

On top of that Manny pulls super bowl type of numbers I china. 48 million watched his last fight.

On top of that Manny controls t.v. Rights to his fights in the phillipines. Almost the whole country of 200 million people watch his fights, usually in theatres.

On top of that Manny gets a considerable tax break by fighting in china where the top tier is only about 13% compared to the 40 percent in the states.

Please explain why he shouldn't fight over there? I am very curious to know

48 million people didn't watch Pacquiao fight in China

"The capacity crowd at the Venetian resort in Macao were suitably impressed, but beyond that, the news garnered little attention. The actual number of people who tuned in to watch at least one minute of the fight from the mainland turned out, according to CSM Media Research, to be well below 2 million, but Arum***8217;s absurd prediction ***8211; somewhere between wild optimism and outright lying ***8211; was still the number that grabbed the most attention."

https://ytsports.wordpress.com/2014/...rting-picture/

Everyone jumps on what Arum says no matter how many times he's proven to blatantly lie to everyone. He made claims of massive numbers for Pacquiao-Rios too and it turned out to be 3.75 million.

Pacquiao has to pay at least 32% tax, it doesn't matter where he fights.

"Pacquiao reportedly made more than $20 million (around P900 million) for the Algieri fight.

Henares said that if, for instance, Pacquiao made at least P1 billion for the fight, he will have to pay the Philippine tax rate of 32%, or P320 million, in taxes.

If Pacquiao already paid P100 million in Macau, he will still have to pay the remaining balance of P220 million to the BIR.

Pacquiao***8217;s camp will have to declare this amount and pay before the April 15, 2015 deadline."

https://anc.yahoo.com/news/bir-chief...002413911.html

[ThePrince]

Gonna be a **** fight unfortunately. That's what makes the most business sense. Arum will get another Algieri like sparring partner who he'll only have to pay $1-1.5 mil (as opposed to say $5-7 mil for a Bradley or Marquez caliber fighter). Then he'll pocket the $8 million+ site fee he gets from the Venetian and make more off of Pac tax free.

Good for business, terrible for fight fans.

But the good news is that Vargas most likely won't be next, he might be the Macau opponent. But if Pac is fighting in Vegas in April, he needs a dance partner that can move tickets. 475K buys won't cut it stateside.

[SkillspayBills]

This more than anything gives me doubt, I understand needing a plan b but how about exhausting all options with plan A before moving on.

[davidandrei]

why people so hard on pac for these decisions? the guy obviously lookin for the cash moneys and will only go out of his way for some legacy. and at this point of his career, this should be the way he decides his fights.

people who think this guy should be fighting all these young bucks are people who just want to see him fall and being extra picky about him or his fans talkin about fighting the best. But really think about boxers today, there is the best fight (mayweather) and the rest are all currently hypejobs lookin for that stepping stone to greatness.

Are there even any legacy fights for Pacquiao at this time? Beating anyone not name named Mayweather does nothing for his career. If he doesnt fight Mayweather, what is so wrong if Pac decides to do the lowest risk/highest reward fight?

[LA_2_Vegas]

You better believe both of them need to have plan b options in case it falls through. Mayweather even contacted cottos team to try to fight him, I would say that would be considered not negotiating in good faith. Saying he's probably fighting again in Macau in November and if he doesn't get the mayweather fight will fight in April in the states is not saying anything about the negotiations.

I take your points. I'll just say that negotiating with Cotto couldn't be that much of a surprise, a lot of people thought Floyd would look at that as his avenue to MW once Cotto-Sergio was signed.

It's just sounding very familiar. Once Arum starts talking about Pac's schedule I get worried that things aren't going that good. If he is locked down in the fall then it's May or bust for this fight in 2015 I guess.

[ModernTalking]

2 mismatches this year for Pacquiao then, Vargas and ?.

Two mismatches that PAC will streamroll easily. Unlike Floyd who had two mismatches and almost got his azz handed to him .

[Robbie Barrett]

Two mismatches that PAC will streamroll easily. Unlike Floyd who had two mismatches and almost got his azz handed to him .

Maidana is too dangerous for Pacquiao, he's moving down to 140 to avoid guys like him.