Do you consider Marquez's KO Victory over Pacquiao...

[Fetta]

JMM will have made some cry forever.

[Boxing1836]

Could you clarify "new found power"? I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

if Manny were to KO JMM in the 5th fight (if it happens) or if he had KO'd him in either of the 3 rematches, would you say Manny also had "new found power"?

manny knocked him down 4 times before the 4th fight while Marquez didn't knock him down once before it. A long with that, he was way bulkier, refused vada for the very next fight, then had acne all over himself in his last fight. Now he is having joint problems which is a sign of steroids as well. It's great that you think he didn't cheat but you can't get mad if people accuse when there are signs everywhere

[DeadLikeMe]

[Doctor_Tenma]

manny knocked him down 4 times before the 4th fight while Marquez didn't knock him down once before it. A long with that, he was way bulkier, refused vada for the very next fight, then had acne all over himself in his last fight. Now he is having joint problems which is a sign of steroids as well. It's great that you think he didn't cheat but you can't get mad if people accuse when there are signs everywhere

Pacquiao did the same exact thing and against the same opponent too, Bradley. Pacquiao refused both USADA/ VADA and like Marquez, went with the NSAC conducting the tests.

[titan m]

He knocked out a guy everybody loves so people don't want to accept it and make excuses, had he knocked out a fighter that most people dislike it would be the greatest victory of the decade in their eyes. It was a great win and he deserves all the credit in the world for it.

[The Big Dunn]

manny knocked him down 4 times before the 4th fight while Marquez didn't knock him down once before it. A long with that, he was way bulkier, refused vada for the very next fight, then had acne all over himself in his last fight. Now he is having joint problems which is a sign of steroids as well. It's great that you think he didn't cheat but you can't get mad if people accuse when there are signs everywhere

SO because he didn't KO or knock him down once, he isn't allowed to in the 4th fight. that is very strange logic dude.

He didn't refuse VADA, he said he'd test if Manny did as well. Manny then dropped the request. He did test for Bradley, just not VADA but the NSAC, right?

It's great that you think he didn't cheat but you can't get mad if people accuse when there are signs everywhere-tell this to the pac fans.

I guess if you are a pac fan going with this is better than admitting his tactical mistakes led to him getting KTFO.

[Hype job]

The thing is they say Pac fans are ''crying'' over this yet the only people who can't let go of it are Flommers, they thought he would just go away after the KO but he's still here to haunt their father figure.

[fcastro1]

Marquez is a cheat. Why else appoint heredia then lie about his name, only to be caught out on 24/7. I was shocked by his body at the weigh in for that fight. I knew from then he was all steroid out.

Pac has actually taken tests and was going to take tests against Floyd but they just disagreed on cut offs. He's still beating quality fighters with testing. Can we say the same for marquez? Marquez hires heredia who supplied drugs to multiple gold medal athletes like Marion jones and numerous other athletes. Now marquez has gone back to puberty wtf.

[SplitSecond]

Pacquiao did the same exact thing and against the same opponent too, Bradley. Pacquiao refused both USADA/ VADA and like Marquez, went with the NSAC conducting the tests.

"Just to clear things up, Manny didn't care what testing we were doing," clarified Timothy Bradley."
"He was willing to do VADA or WADA, so there was no argument as far as the testing goes."

"The Nevada State Athletic Commission decided they didn't want VADA representing us, and that they wanted to use the same procedure we did in the Marquez fight, which was WADA. It was very successful in that fight so they wanted to stick with it and not mess around with VADA."

[Welter_Skelter]

Full credit to Marquez. No proof of any cheating so no excuses.
Pac got caught by a punch that Marquez intended to throw.
Could he do it again? It's a single result out of 4 fights.. So the odds say no. But no discredit to Marquez finally scoring that punch that had previously eluded him.