Do you consider Marquez's KO Victory over Pacquiao...

[Larry the boss]

A cut off date is not random testing.

I honestly do not get how they do not understand this

[Jcsuper]

why are you talking Floyd/Manny this is about JMM/Manny?

Manny asked JMM to test, JMM said sure, If you do as well. Manny said no and then rescinded the request for testing.

JMM and Manny both passed the regular commission tests. Whenever Manny passed these tests after previous fights, you and other Pac fans cited this as proof Manny was clean. Yet for JMM it's different.

Why do you and other Pac fans have such a double standard?

Because they're mentally challenged people

[Stl_Buay]

First of all it was the feet entanglement that had trip Pac up and had him off balance chin up and hands down. If you watch the replay overhead you can clearly see his knees buckled before the punch... Its boxing. But this perfect timing BS needs to go. 40 Rounds and being Knocked Down Five times is not timing or a plan. First of all its rare to get 40 rounds with someone. If it takes you 40 rounds and 5 knock downs is that pefect timing or is that in 40 rounds anything is liable to happen. Hassin Rahman had pefect timing against Lewis and it only took him 5 rounds 35 less rounds and 0 knock downs. Next if some has it 114 to 113 one way how is it a Major Robbery if its 114 to 113 the other way? That means its a ONE out of 12 round disagreement. 7 to 5 or 6 to 6 with a KD can shift 114 to 113 either way. In the third fight Pac threw more and landed more in 8 rounds Marquez landed more in 3 rounds and 1 round was a tie. So if he threw more and landed more in 8 rounds hence the 116 to 112. Close fights and rounds, normally goes to the guy throwing the most punches and making the fight vs. the counter puncher. How is that a robbery. Next, Pacquiao followed up the De La Hoya KO with a Hatton KO and Cotto KO. Marquez followed his KO up with a clear loss to Bradley and then the Alvarado fight with the chest and back acne and a guy WORLD FAMOUS for hiding ROIDS from test in your corner is suspect. Bradley requested testing Arum shafted him on that Alvarado needed the fight and accepted regular testing. Marquez hasn't fought since because of the body transformation at 39 and the Memo in the corner and the chest and back acne nobody is getting in the ring with him that's in a position to request testing. Brock and etc, all requested testing and that's why Marquez hasn't fought since nobody will fight him without testing... The victory is tainted and lucky. Rahman and Douglas did their upset KOs in the first fight in 5 or 10 rounds. To do something in the 4th fight in the 40th round is silly to discuss as something great because if that's the case why didn't you do it in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd fight or the 5th, 10th 20th, 30th, or 35th round. Rahman didn't need 4 fights or more than 5 rounds to get Lewis, Lewis didn't need 4 fights to get him back. The stars lined up for a roided up counter puncher like they never did in the first 3 fights and 39 rounds and then they faded in the next fight. Then the proof was on his chest and back in the Alvarado fight. You don't hire a roid cheat unless you plan on using him for what he is famous for. You hire Phil Jackson for Basketball, Michael Jackson to Sing and Dance, Brad Pitt to Act, and the Roid Cheat to help you Riod Cheat. Its not Rocket Science.

[tjones1989]

First of all it was the feet entanglement that had trip Pac up and had him off balance chin up and hands down. If you watch the replay overhead you can clearly see his knees buckled before the punch... Its boxing. But this perfect timing BS needs to go. 40 Rounds and being Knocked Down Five times is not timing or a plan. First of all its rare to get 40 rounds with someone. If it takes you 40 rounds and 5 knock downs is that pefect timing or is that in 40 rounds anything is liable to happen. Hassin Rahman had pefect timing against Lewis and it only took him 5 rounds 35 less rounds and 0 knock downs. Next if some has it 114 to 113 one way how is it a Major Robbery if its 114 to 113 the other way? That means its a ONE out of 12 round disagreement. 7 to 5 or 6 to 6 with a KD can shift 114 to 113 either way. In the third fight Pac threw more and landed more in 8 rounds Marquez landed more in 3 rounds and 1 round was a tie. So if he threw more and landed more in 8 rounds hence the 116 to 112. Close fights and rounds, normally goes to the guy throwing the most punches and making the fight vs. the counter puncher. How is that a robbery. Next, Pacquiao followed up the De La Hoya KO with a Hatton KO and Cotto KO. Marquez followed his KO up with a clear loss to Bradley and then the Alvarado fight with the chest and back acne and a guy WORLD FAMOUS for hiding ROIDS from test in your corner is suspect. Bradley requested testing Arum shafted him on that Alvarado needed the fight and accepted regular testing. Marquez hasn't fought since because of the body transformation at 39 and the Memo in the corner and the chest and back acne nobody is getting in the ring with him that's in a position to request testing. Brock and etc, all requested testing and that's why Marquez hasn't fought since nobody will fight him without testing... The victory is tainted and lucky. Rahman and Douglas did their upset KOs in the first fight in 5 or 10 rounds. To do something in the 4th fight in the 40th round is silly to discuss as something great because if that's the case why didn't you do it in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd fight or the 5th, 10th 20th, 30th, or 35th round. Rahman didn't need 4 fights or more than 5 rounds to get Lewis, Lewis didn't need 4 fights to get him back. The stars lined up for a roided up counter puncher like they never did in the first 3 fights and 39 rounds and then they faded in the next fight. Then the proof was on his chest and back in the Alvarado fight. You don't hire a roid cheat unless you plan on using him for what he is famous for. You hire Phil Jackson for Basketball, Michael Jackson to Sing and Dance, Brad Pitt to Act, and the Roid Cheat to help you Riod Cheat. Its not Rocket Science.

This is the truth listen to this man

[Chiboxing123]

Greatest victory in mexican boxing history. That drama Jmm with a broken nose and was almost out the round before and scores the vicous ko shot from hell. After being robbed of a descion that last fight against and icon in pac man. Marquez proved everybody wrong and was a moment the boxing world will never forget.

[creekrat77]

Yea he deserves all the credit for that knockout. Steroids are just a part of this sport and always will be. If you can get away with juicing, unscathed by the media, then Top Rank should have had stricter test for the old warrior. For an aging Marquez, I think the idea of giving Marquez the cover to juice only made the fight that much better. It's highly debatable on here but I'd say Marquez performed a miracle in there that night. 9 times out of 10, Pac stops Marquez that night.

[fabie]

First of all it was the feet entanglement that had trip Pac up and had him off balance chin up and hands down. If you watch the replay overhead you can clearly see his knees buckled before the punch... Its boxing. But this perfect timing BS needs to go. 40 Rounds and being Knocked Down Five times is not timing or a plan. First of all its rare to get 40 rounds with someone. If it takes you 40 rounds and 5 knock downs is that pefect timing or is that in 40 rounds anything is liable to happen. Hassin Rahman had pefect timing against Lewis and it only took him 5 rounds 35 less rounds and 0 knock downs. Next if some has it 114 to 113 one way how is it a Major Robbery if its 114 to 113 the other way? That means its a ONE out of 12 round disagreement. 7 to 5 or 6 to 6 with a KD can shift 114 to 113 either way. In the third fight Pac threw more and landed more in 8 rounds Marquez landed more in 3 rounds and 1 round was a tie. So if he threw more and landed more in 8 rounds hence the 116 to 112. Close fights and rounds, normally goes to the guy throwing the most punches and making the fight vs. the counter puncher. How is that a robbery. Next, Pacquiao followed up the De La Hoya KO with a Hatton KO and Cotto KO. Marquez followed his KO up with a clear loss to Bradley and then the Alvarado fight with the chest and back acne and a guy WORLD FAMOUS for hiding ROIDS from test in your corner is suspect. Bradley requested testing Arum shafted him on that Alvarado needed the fight and accepted regular testing. Marquez hasn't fought since because of the body transformation at 39 and the Memo in the corner and the chest and back acne nobody is getting in the ring with him that's in a position to request testing. Brock and etc, all requested testing and that's why Marquez hasn't fought since nobody will fight him without testing... The victory is tainted and lucky. Rahman and Douglas did their upset KOs in the first fight in 5 or 10 rounds. To do something in the 4th fight in the 40th round is silly to discuss as something great because if that's the case why didn't you do it in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd fight or the 5th, 10th 20th, 30th, or 35th round. Rahman didn't need 4 fights or more than 5 rounds to get Lewis, Lewis didn't need 4 fights to get him back. The stars lined up for a roided up counter puncher like they never did in the first 3 fights and 39 rounds and then they faded in the next fight. Then the proof was on his chest and back in the Alvarado fight. You don't hire a roid cheat unless you plan on using him for what he is famous for. You hire Phil Jackson for Basketball, Michael Jackson to Sing and Dance, Brad Pitt to Act, and the Roid Cheat to help you Riod Cheat. Its not Rocket Science.

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[ADP02]

A cut off date is not random testing.

They were negotiating. Which was already tough under the circumstances that Floyd and company already had accused Manny of taking PEDs.

[ADP02]

This thread is about jmm v Manny. There is no need to mention Floyd's name as he wasn't involved in any way.

If you considered Manny clean since he passed the tests, than you must consider jmm clean as well. If you think otherwise, the same applies to Manny.

Sorry dude, you can't type your way out of hypocrisy. One could argue Manny said no to testing because he was dirty or planned to use just as easily as you argue jmm had undetectable PED's.

I have said in the past that I don't know if Manny was clean. How can one really know? The issue again was that Floyd was using it as a roadblock because even when Manny said yes to that, Floyd still said no, no and no.


The hypocrisy are Floyd fans who hate CWs but now are OK about it ..... when Floyd does them. Even have the nerve to say "Cotto losing 2lbs is harder than Canelo losing 2lbs"

The hypocrisy is thinking that Manny must have been a PEDs user and then in this poll saying that they are not even su****ious about Marquez.


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[ThePunchingBag]

It's a culmination of 8 years, 40+ rounds, night and day of mental preparation to get the win.

Marquez was a man obsessed with beating Pacquiao. A man who probably watched hundreds of hours of tape over and over to study Pacquiao's movements and tendencies.

It was Marquez's mission to beat Pacquiao and when someone puts that much time and effort in order to do something, they usually get what they deserve.

Could Marquez have been on MemoRoids? Maybe, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that Marquez studied and knew Pacquiao almost as well as Pacquiao knew himself.