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  • Originally posted by ncboxingfan View Post
    Canelo vs Pacquiao? Maidana vs Pacquiao? Who wins those?? My point exactly?

    Does it make you feel better to call names behind a PC? Does it make you feel big and bad to do that just to get your point across? You're wrong no matter how much of an idiot you think I am. I see we conveniently leave out the questions we don't have answers to. Grow up kid.
    Are you kidding me? Pacquiao beats those guys easily. They are slow flat footed come forward fighters, that's who pacquiao does best against. Those two are tailor made for pacquiao. Just look at his resume he has beaten many fighters better than them. Maidana beat broker and now he's a top guy? Lol I hope al haymon lets maidana out of the cage to fight Manny, he'd have to get another good win in sure he wouldn't fight him coming off 2 losses. Pacquiao would be heavily favored against either of them. Maidana isn't a p4p fighter and is barely top 10 welterweight, canelo is bottom of most peoples top ten p4p list. Manny beat Bradley easily who was number 3 p4p and Bradley has the style that troubles Manny. Manny schooled him 2 times. I could see how someone may think canelo has a shot against Manny because of the size difference. Canelo weighs 170ish fight night while pacquiao is around 145. That's a 25 lb difference although that's nothing new for Pac he would still crush him, but if you honestly think maidana has any shot in the world you are smoking something

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    • Originally posted by CLUE View Post
      Fact......
      My point exactly. Can any Pac fan honestly say he'd do the same job on Canelo at 153? We all know the truth, but choose not to speak. Video doesn't lie. How many rounds did Canelo win again? I guess all Mayweather does is run though. Must have been all that running that kept Canelo off of him huh? All that running sure messed Canelo's face up. #Questions#PACFANS#AVOID#Crickets

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      • Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
        One fighter does not make or break a legacy.
        :AOR: yes it does.....

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        • Originally posted by jcpryor View Post
          lmao debunked huh?
          hahaha if you have a much better word for it just insert it there man

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          • Originally posted by drenlou View Post
            Was that during the first round of negotiations, or after smart guy!!

            Lets talk about who was to blame for the first round of failed negotiations, then we can talk about what floyd as done ok!
            How quickly we forget pacquiao did agree to random urine testing whenever, and random blood testing up to 3 weeks before the fight and also directly after which the experts even said there was no way fir him to cheat and Floyd still walked away because he wanted a 2 week cutoff instead of 3. Back then everyone blamed Floyd and I think everyone still should. Lets not forget also that he changed his mind pretty quick and has since been chasing mayweather and agreed to the testing for 5 years now. Floyd has made one bogus offer which Manny obviously declined, and mayweather told bob costas that Manny countered with 50/50 and then sent his advisor mike kontz to Vegas but mayweather wasn't willing to give him any ppv split!!! Lol this was mayweathers own words. So who has been ducking who? There is a reason the media have portrayed Floyd as a ducker, because its true! Its only the handful of his troll fans who believe the bs

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            • Originally posted by ncboxingfan View Post
              Dude I get your opinion, but it's not really Mayweather's fault who tries to imitate him. Honestly, the fact of the matter is and there's no bias involved, but Mayweather has truly beat the better opposition....he's pretty much beaten the same people as Pac...with the exception of Margarito...but from a talent standpoint...there are fighters that Pac didn't fight either like Guerrero, Maidana, Canelo. There's blame on both sides really...but a lot of the fans on here don't know how to have civilized discussions without degrading each other. It amazes me.
              All I'm saying, both are dominant fighters. Both have been #1 p4p. One has 8 championships, the other has six. There wasn't this much ego in boxing ten/fifteen years ago; everyone fought everyone. fights were made because the people wanted them. this whole A/B side bull**** is because Mayweather brought it into the game (I could be wrong, but I can't remember a single instance). This whole pop culture **** Mayweather brought to the game was a good move for boxing, but I've found it's really hard to talk to Mayweather fans about boxing because MOST of them don't see boxing outside of Mayweather. this goes for a lot of Pac fans, too. It's all bull****. The game has changed and I can't say it's for the better.

              the fight needs to happen. For the fans and for the sport. It would propel the sport in a direction it hasn't been in 20+ years. Boxing needs this.

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              • Originally posted by jjsmyth87 View Post
                Are you kidding me? Pacquiao beats those guys easily. They are slow flat footed come forward fighters, that's who pacquiao does best against. Those two are tailor made for pacquiao. Just look at his resume he has beaten many fighters better than them. Maidana beat broker and now he's a top guy? Lol I hope al haymon lets maidana out of the cage to fight Manny, he'd have to get another good win in sure he wouldn't fight him coming off 2 losses. Pacquiao would be heavily favored against either of them. Maidana isn't a p4p fighter and is barely top 10 welterweight, canelo is bottom of most peoples top ten p4p list. Manny beat Bradley easily who was number 3 p4p and Bradley has the style that troubles Manny. Manny schooled him 2 times. I could see how someone may think canelo has a shot against Manny because of the size difference. Canelo weighs 170ish fight night while pacquiao is around 145. That's a 25 lb difference although that's nothing new for Pac he would still crush him, but if you honestly think maidana has any shot in the world you are smoking something
                What we do know is that Pac had his chance to fight Canelo but wanted him to take the fight at 150?? Canelo said Nada in which he should have. Yes young man you're right he Pac does do well against those fighters, but there's just too much power from both of those guys. See you're looking at it all wrong...those fights simply would never happen but not for the reasons you say so...because what you DON'T realize is...Pacman is TAILORED MADE for those fighters not the other way around. You're looking at the glass half empty young man?

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                • Originally posted by Say-so View Post
                  All I'm saying, both are dominant fighters. Both have been #1 p4p. One has 8 championships, the other has six. There wasn't this much ego in boxing ten/fifteen years ago; everyone fought everyone. fights were made because the people wanted them. this whole A/B side bull**** is because Mayweather brought it into the game (I could be wrong, but I can't remember a single instance). This whole pop culture **** Mayweather brought to the game was a good move for boxing, but I've found it's really hard to talk to Mayweather fans about boxing because MOST of them don't see boxing outside of Mayweather. this goes for a lot of Pac fans, too. It's all bull****. The game has changed and I can't say it's for the better.

                  the fight needs to happen. For the fans and for the sport. It would propel the sport in a direction it hasn't been in 20+ years. Boxing needs this.
                  I'm not even going to front. I agree with you on that. It didn't always used to be this hard to get fighters in the ring. Way too much politics now.

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                  • Originally posted by drenlou View Post
                    Was that during the first round of negotiations, or after smart guy!!

                    Lets talk about who was to blame for the first round of failed negotiations, then we can talk about what floyd as done ok!
                    Yeah right Floyd wants to work with arum on the first negotiation hahaha

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                    • Originally posted by ncboxingfan View Post
                      My point exactly. Can any Pac fan honestly say he'd do the same job on Canelo at 153? We all know the truth, but choose not to speak. Video doesn't lie. How many rounds did Canelo win again? I guess all Mayweather does is run though. Must have been all that running that kept Canelo off of him huh? All that running sure messed Canelo's face up. #Questions#PACFANS#AVOID#Crickets
                      Of course pacquiao would beat canelo, mayweather fought him at 152 though my friend, but anyways canelo is a come forward flat footed fighter that Manny does best with, he would be heavily favored and rightfully so. Manny has fought and beaten many with his skill level or better and not just beat them but turned their face into unrecognizable mince meat! Margarito was as big or bigger than canelo and pacquiao toyed with him all twelve rounds, made him look like rocky bakboa afterwards and broke his orbital bone! Margarito only won one round and canelo would be no different

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