Comments Thread For: Bradley's Trainer: Mayweather's Ability Diminished A lot

[therealpugilist]

You must have comprehension problems I answered your question days ago n pages ago

Elite meaning highly rated at the time he fought them and prime....hatton was in his prime and a former wba ww title holder top ten p4p when he and pbf fought

Zab Judah actually was undisputed champ @ ww in his prime...he lost his title to baldmoir before he faced Floyd but was still top 3...prime and elite

I think Ortiz was ranked 3 by ring mag at ww that's elite and he was prime...he fell off after Floyd beat him


Learn what elite means go to the rankings of the time he fought them

Mosley was elite @ ww but past prime Floyd was too

Actually jmm going from 135 to 147 is no diff than when Duran jumped up to fight v Leonard, ike Williams fighting gavilan, fighter have moved up to fight bigger guys since the beginning but a novice like you criticize Floyd for common boxing practice

Do you discredit gavilan, Leonard, Freddie welsh and other ww defending their titles or fighting champs from lower weights? No


Ydksab

Now answer my questions.... How many top ten ranked ww has Floyd fought since 09 and how many has PAC fought?


If you don't know I will tell you....PAC beat two old Mosley and Bradley


Money beat Mosley, maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz,
This doesn't even include fights he had with cotto and canelo who were at 154



Answer my questions who has beater more top ten ww?

You know who but are too much of a troll to admit it

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You must have comprehension problems I answered your question days ago n pages ago

Elite meaning highly rated at the time he fought them and prime....hatton was in his prime and a former wba ww title holder top ten p4p when he and pbf fought

Zab Judah actually was undisputed champ @ ww in his prime...he lost his title to baldmoir before he faced Floyd but was still top 3...prime and elite

I think Ortiz was ranked 3 by ring mag at ww that's elite and he was prime...he fell off after Floyd beat him


Learn what elite means go to the rankings of the time he fought them

Mosley was elite @ ww but past prime Floyd was too

Actually jmm going from 135 to 147 is no diff than when Duran jumped up to fight v Leonard, ike Williams fighting gavilan, fighter have moved up to fight bigger guys since the beginning but a novice like you criticize Floyd for common boxing practice

Do you discredit gavilan, Leonard, Freddie welsh and other ww defending their titles or fighting champs from lower weights? No


Ydksab

Now answer my questions.... How many top ten ranked ww has Floyd fought since 09 and how many has PAC fought?


If you don't know I will tell you....PAC beat two old Mosley and Bradley


Money beat Mosley, maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz,
This doesn't even include fights he had with cotto and canelo who were at 154



Answer my questions who has beater more top ten ww?

You know who but are too much of a troll to admit it

Man oh man, ..... you are doing it again and again and again.

When you discuss Floyd, you say ".... but others have fought opponents that moved up ..... it's all good what Floyd did"

then you turn it around and say "How many top WW has Manny fought?" WTF? You even bring up and defend Floyd making Marquez jump 2 fights away from 3 divisions but have the courage to bring up that kind of question for Manny?


Also, what you stated in one of your posts about SRR is that he fought more champs than Floyd but many of them champs were not that good. So for SRR it matters but for Floyd, you beat a hyped up fighter at WW and all is good. Just STOP IT!

Sorry but you are spinning this again!


Judah was not a good WW. He had lost close to 50% of his fights at WW. Judah realized that and moved back down to 140.

Hatton fought once at WW and some say he lost. Whatever, Hatton went back down to 140 and the only reason that he came back up was to fight Floyd. Guess what happened after that? Oh yeah, Hatton went back down to 140!!!

Berto was criticized badly over here before the Ortiz fight for having a bunch of no name resume and that he should step it up because he has a title. I know because I defended him in that he was about to make his move with Mosley but it wasn't his fault about the earthquake in Haiti. Family comes first.

Broner was fighting at 130 a little over a year before his fight with Maidana.

Maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz you listed beat Broner or Berto. Think about that. You have the nerve to call these 3 fighters elite WWs and tell "hooks" that he doesn't know boxing? Look at their records at WW before the Floyd fight. Not as important one may say but man, even look at them after fighting Floyd!

Do the math, what are the records of Maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz , Broner and Berto in the last couple of years? You call that elite?


Finally, Floyd and his team are not trolls, correct?
Well, they said that Mosley, who was inactive, was OLD,
Guerrero was slow-flat footed nobody who fought nobody and
they took away Maidana's gloves!!! Put an asterisks right there!

Floyd beat Ortiz by way of SUCKER PUNCH! Asterisks again!


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[therealpugilist]

Man oh man, ..... you are doing it again and again and again.

When you discuss Floyd, you say ".... but others have fought opponents that moved up ..... it's all good what Floyd did"

then you turn it around and say "How many top WW has Manny fought?" WTF? You even bring up and defend Floyd making Marquez jump 2 fights away from 3 divisions but have the courage to bring up that kind of question for Manny?


Also, what you stated in one of your posts about SRR is that he fought more champs than Floyd but many of them champs were not that good. So for SRR it matters but for Floyd, you beat a hyped up fighter at WW and all is good. Just STOP IT!

Sorry but you are spinning this again!


Judah was not a good WW. He had lost close to 50% of his fights at WW. Judah realized that and moved back down to 140.

Hatton fought once at WW and some say he lost. Whatever, Hatton went back down to 140 and the only reason that he came back up was to fight Floyd. Guess what happened after that? Oh yeah, Hatton went back down to 140!!!

Berto was criticized badly over here before the Ortiz fight for having a bunch of no name resume and that he should step it up because he has a title. I know because I defended him in that he was about to make his move with Mosley but it wasn't his fault about the earthquake in Haiti. Family comes first.

Broner was fighting at 130 a little over a year before his fight with Maidana.

Maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz you listed beat Broner or Berto. Think about that. You have the nerve to call these 3 fighters elite WWs and tell "hooks" that he doesn't know boxing? Look at their records at WW before the Floyd fight. Not as important one may say but man, even look at them after fighting Floyd!

Do the math, what are the records of Maidana, Guerrero, Ortiz , Broner and Berto in the last couple of years? You call that elite?


Finally, Floyd and his team are not trolls, correct?
Well, they said that Mosley, who was inactive, was OLD,
Guerrero was slow-flat footed nobody who fought nobody and
they took away Maidana's gloves!!! Put an asterisks right there!

Floyd beat Ortiz by way of SUCKER PUNCH! Asterisks again!


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no matter how much you harp about nothing it doesn't change the facts....Mayweather has beaten more ranked welterweights than Pacquaio just face it


Nor does your bellyaching change the fighters rankings when they fought....we are talking about when they fought...not what they did afterwards


at the time they were all elite............I still see you just ****ted on mayweathers competition but was smart enough not to say Pacquaios welterweight opposition was better....smart man!!!!

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no matter how much you harp about nothing it doesn't change the facts....Mayweather has beaten more ranked welterweights than Pacquaio just face it


Nor does your bellyaching change the fighters rankings when they fought....we are talking about when they fought...not what they did afterwards


at the time they were all elite............I still see you just ****ted on mayweathers competition but was smart enough not to say Pacquaios welterweight opposition was better....smart man!!!!

How many fights did all these opponents of Floyd have at WW?
Marquez = 0
Hatton = 1
Ortiz = 1 (got knocked down twice)
Guerrero = 2 but one of them went back down to 140!
Sharmba = 1

Maidana got the title because he beat Broner.
Broner = 1

So what you say is meaningless. There are so many titles per division nowadays that you need to analyze even more not just say but so and so has a title. Some are given the opportunity before they deserve it. Just look above and you know what I'm talking about. So what!

Those that you named beat Broner and Berto at WW. So what that they got ranked for doing so. Its still just a win against Broner and Berto. You just spinning! Like I said, you spoke differently with SRR. Champs he fought didn't mean they were all good, right? Nice try but you are just fooling yourself.



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[therealpugilist]

How many fights did all these opponents of Floyd have at WW?
Marquez = 0
Hatton = 1
Ortiz = 1 (got knocked down twice)
Guerrero = 2 but one of them went back down to 140!
Sharmba = 1

Maidana got the title because he beat Broner.
Broner = 1

So what you say is meaningless. There are so many titles per division nowadays that you need to analyze even more not just say but so and so has a title. Some are given the opportunity before they deserve it. Just look above and you know what I'm talking about. So what!

Those that you named beat Broner and Berto and WW. So what that they got ranked for doing so. Its still just a win against Broner and Berto. You just spinning! Like I said, you spoke differently with SRR. Champs he fought didn't mean they were all good, right? Nice try but you are just fooling yourself.

Now do the same thing with Manny....Algieri and Rios were not ranked and had no wins over ranked welterweights


JMM only welterweight win is knocking out Pacquaio


Bradley is ranked because he beat Marquez who kayoed Pacquaio and got a robbery win over Manny and lost to him this year

Mosley.....was 1-1-1 in his last 3 fights

Once Again no matter how you try you cant change the fact that Manny has only fought defeated 2 top ten welterweights in 5 years
Mayweather hasn't fought an unranked opponent at his weight since 09 and JMM was a champion and was top 3 on most p4p lists

say it slowly....FLOYD....FOUGHT.....BETTER.....WELTERWEI GHTS.....PROOF....IS...IN....THE....PUDDING

[therealpugilist]

How many fights did all these opponents of Floyd have at WW?
Marquez = 0
Hatton = 1
Ortiz = 1 (got knocked down twice)
Guerrero = 2 but one of them went back down to 140!
Sharmba = 1

Maidana got the title because he beat Broner.
Broner = 1

So what you say is meaningless. There are so many titles per division nowadays that you need to analyze even more not just say but so and so has a title. Some are given the opportunity before they deserve it. Just look above and you know what I'm talking about. So what!

Those that you named beat Broner and Berto at WW. So what that they got ranked for doing so. Its still just a win against Broner and Berto. You just spinning! Like I said, you spoke differently with SRR. Champs he fought didn't mean they were all good, right? Nice try but you are just fooling yourself.



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LIST ALL THEIR OPPONENTS AT WW....check their ranking at the time of the fight and you tell me who beat more ranked welterweights until then im gonna just ignore you

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Now do the same thing with Manny....Algieri and Rios were not ranked and had no wins over ranked welterweights


JMM only welterweight win is knocking out Pacquaio


Bradley is ranked because he beat Marquez who kayoed Pacquaio and got a robbery win over Manny and lost to him this year

Mosley.....was 1-1-1 in his last 3 fights

Once Again no matter how you try you cant change the fact that Manny has only fought defeated 2 top ten welterweights in 5 years
Mayweather hasn't fought an unranked opponent at his weight since 09 and JMM was a champion and was top 3 on most p4p lists

say it slowly....FLOYD....FOUGHT.....BETTER.....WELTERWEI GHTS.....PROOF....IS...IN....THE....PUDDING

This is not about who fought better WWs. It should be Floyd because he started at WW way before Manny did but even then its close and some may say that its Manny.

If you remove Mosley, who they both fought. I would say that Manny fought the better competition at WW. Manny fought Cotto, Clottey, Bradley and Oscar at WW. Even the Marquez that Manny fought would give anyone who fought Floyd at WW a run for their money. I can see Marquez making Ortiz quit and outthinking the rest of them.


Still, that is not the point. Its the way you post. How can you defend Floyd vs a Marquez that jumped 2 fights from 3 divisions and then say "JMM only welterweight win is knocking out Pacquaio"???? On top of that, when you think about it, Marquez has fought Floyd, Manny 2X and Bradley at WW. Man, that is pretty good WW resume right there!!!

Rios was a comeback fight and I was objective about Algieri. I didn't say that Manny was fighting a champ so its a great fight. I questioned the fight.
When you fight 0, 1 or 2 times in a division, the radar should go up. It doesn't mean that all fighters with few fights are no good but you need to be very cautious about hyping them or taking someone's rankings too seriously. All scenarios are different and should be looked at it that way. For one belt, Khan was ranked #2 at WW last year before the Collazo fight!


The thing is you post differently when you post about Floyd and anyone else, including SRR. You called out some of the champs he faced and even said some named ones were at the end of their careers. OK but do you say that about the Mosley that fought Floyd? No! Even Floyd called him OLD. I did for BOTH when he fought Manny and Floyd. Same with Oscar.