How many PPV buys does Cotto-Canelo get?

[Beater_of_ass]

What I am saying like I said before is that this fight doesn't have that much potential to pull in casual fans or cross racial lines to where blacks, whites, asians, etc. feel the need to buy this ppv. Which is the real reason PPV buys reach high numbers not because of hardcore fans or the fan bases of each fighter.

I feel most casual fans feel like Cotto and Canelo lost to both Floyd and Manny. They know Floyd dominated Canelo and Cotto got dominated by Manny. So that leads casual fans to know that neither of them is the man to beat Floyd or Manny. Which also leads them to feel why should I PAY to watch this fight?

Cotto and Canelo have shown they are draws with cross over known to mainstream fighters (Floyd & Manny). Neither of them have shown that they are cross over known to mainstream fighters themselves (Cotto & Canelo).

So either you're the "dumb" one which I will not say cause I don't know you.

But I will say these 2 things: We can agree to disagree and I may be taking a pessimistic view and you an optimistic view.


I am willing to bet some points on this fight NOT doing 1mill in buys?

I'm not going to get into the "casual" market because Cotto/Canelo don't need it. According to you they can't get Asian, black or white fans to watch. Okay that just means they won't get 2 million buys, Hispanics are the biggest market and that's what they're after. If you make a circle and split it in half one side would say Hispanic the other would say ever other race, that's the reality of the boxing landscape. And when you really think about it, the only countries in the western hemisphere that don't speak Spanish are Canada and the US.

All that being said Cotto made a splash with the Asian market fighting Manny. He also has some black fans at least most of my friends make sure not to miss him when he's on HBO or PPV, they're the same with Canelo as well. I wouldn't call your view pessimistic, it's illogical to think they'll only get 500k buys. They each have their own fanbase, combing their last buy rates they are at 650k and it's proven how much more people buy PPV when it's two draws and a competitive matchup. (Or perceived by people that way.)

[P4PLoser]

Probably around 800k-900k

[tredh]

I'd be willing to double you up on points if it did less then what i predicted...900k-1mill,.

Its a bet then!!

[SlySlickSmooth]

id say 800k tops. really depends on the rest of the card and how its marketed.

[tredh]

I'm not going to get into the "casual" market because Cotto/Canelo don't need it. According to you they can't get Asian, black or white fans to watch. Okay that just means they won't get 2 million buys, Hispanics are the biggest market and that's what they're after. If you make a circle and split it in half one side would say Hispanic the other would say ever other race, that's the reality of the boxing landscape. And when you really think about it, the only countries in the western hemisphere that don't speak Spanish are Canada and the US.

All that being said Cotto made a splash with the Asian market fighting Manny. He also has some black fans at least most of my friends make sure not to miss him when he's on HBO or PPV, they're the same with Canelo as well. I wouldn't call your view pessimistic, it's illogical to think they'll only get 500k buys. They each have their own fanbase, combing their last buy rates they are at 650k and it's proven how much more people buy PPV when it's two draws and a competitive matchup. (Or perceived by people that way.)

All ppv fighters need casuals to reach the real high numbers IMO.

Thats not what I said or was trying to say. I just feel like they will not pull them(casuals) in numbers needed to push this fight to at least 1mill buys.

If I came across like I was saying either Cotto or Canelo has no fans of other races that is way off from what I was trying to say as well. Just that I don't see that from them in high numbers from casual fans knowing who they are and willing to pay to see them fight.

We shall see cause no matter the date it seems like this fight will happen.

[LouIE G]

Its a bet then!!

Alrite...pm me

[Build That Wall]

400k-550k.

[sicko]

400-500k REALISTICALLY!

Factoring in How Canelo PPV's did with Showtime and how Cotto vs Martinez did...I think if they can reach 500k that is a SUCCESS!

[Pigeons]

500-600K. Less than Mayweather-Maidana I or II and Pacquiao-Bradley I or II.

[JJRod]

It depends on how well they build up the fight.
A good 24/7 and press tour, it could go anywhere from 700K to 1.5 Million.