Is Bradley Top 5 P4P??? Is he top 5 Welterweight?

[mrpain81]

well imo he justifies his top 5 p4p spot with his win against marquez (ranked #3 p4p and #2 welterweight) alone. rigondeaux got into the top 5 p4p for just beating donaire who himself was ranked top 5 p4p at the time.

and his resume at welterweight is still far better than khan and thurman.

provo >>>>> past prime collazo
marquez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devon alexander

P4P is about mythical matchups between guys across all weight classes, sure important wins matter but that's basically why the debate was established.

If you are honest with yourself you can come up with more then 10 guys across all weight classes who would beat Bradley pretty soundly, it's not that hard. There are 5 guys already in his weight class who would beat him soundly.

[IronDanHamza]

He's definitely not a top P4P.

He's done well for a guy of his talent level to be considered a P4P fighter.

[Divine Hammer]

P4P is about mythical matchups between guys across all weight classes, sure important wins matter but that's basically why the debate was established.

If you are honest with yourself you can come up with more then 10 guys across all weight classes who would beat Bradley pretty soundly, it's not that hard. There are 5 guys already in his weight class who would beat him soundly.

wins matter the most imo. or else you could justify broner having been put at top ten p4p before he got exposed by limited maidana.

again many experts rank rigo top 5 based on his ONE win against donaire. not only did bradley beat a higher ranked p4p fighter and legend coming off a HUGE win, but he also has a ton of other great wins.

as far as i'm concerned bradley has proven himself a top welterweight and top p4p'er (only loss to pacquiao). there is no way you can justify khan and thurman being ranked higher.

[Divine Hammer]

He's definitely not a top P4P.

He's done well for a guy of his talent level to be considered a P4P fighter.

his clear win against top p4p legend marquez means nothing???

[komodo]

Bradley got Chavez problems....

[Kagami Taiga]

Bradley is not p4p. Period. And I'm a huge bradley fan.

[mrpain81]

wins matter the most imo. or else you could justify broner having been put at top ten p4p before he got exposed by limited maidana.

again many experts rank rigo top 5 based on his ONE win against donaire. not only did bradley beat a higher ranked p4p fighter and legend coming off a HUGE win, but he also has a ton of other great wins.

as far as i'm concerned bradley has proven himself a top welterweight and top p4p'er (only loss to pacquiao). there is no way you can justify khan and thurman being ranked higher.

It's a combination of accomplishment and talent but it's mostly head to head comparisons. It's not about resume because if it was Roy Jones would still be ranked since he's active and so would Toney.

Ring magazine has Rigo #8 and Bradley #5...In what world is that possible? Does anyone really give Bradley a shot at beating Rigo if they were both the same size? Does Bradley stand a shot against Choc Gonzalez? A 3 division champ with some very good wins under his belt?

Like I said Bradley shouldn't be there, I can't think of another fighter getting so much praise by so many people because he's tough and rugged. I don't see an elite fighter but lets see him fight Khan or Thurman so he can make me look dumb.

[IronDanHamza]

his clear win against top p4p legend marquez means nothing???

Wasn't a clear win but that's by far his best and really only impressive performance.

[Divine Hammer]

It's a combination of accomplishment and talent but it's mostly head to head comparisons. It's not about resume because if it was Roy Jones would still be ranked since he's active and so would Toney.

Ring magazine has Rigo #8 and Bradley #5...In what world is that possible? Does anyone really give Bradley a shot at beating Rigo if they were both the same size? Does Bradley stand a shot against Choc Gonzalez? A 3 division champ with some very good wins under his belt?

Like I said Bradley shouldn't be there, I can't think of another fighter getting so much praise by so many people because he's tough and rugged. I don't see an elite fighter but lets see him fight Khan or Thurman so he can make me look dumb.

no you can't justify toney and Roy because their glory days are far behind them. When I mean wins I mean recent mainly. And talent is taken into consideration as well but I put more weight on the wins because you need to keep proving you are a top fighter (can't get by on looks alone).

You can justify Bradley above rigo p4p because all rigo has is donaire and he hasn't been in much meaningful fights since. Plus Marquez was ranked higher, is considered a legend, still very dangerous strong counter puncher, future hof'er when Bradley beat him. But if rigo goes and beats frampton and Santa Cruz next then he most definitely deserves to be higher. We can say rigo beats frampton and santa but this is boxing and anything can happen.

Anyways that's just how I see it. Everyone ranks different.

[mrpain81]

no you can't justify toney and Roy because their glory days are far behind them. When I mean wins I mean recent mainly. And talent is taken into consideration as well but I put more weight on the wins because you need to keep proving you are a top fighter (can't get by on looks alone).

You can justify Bradley above rigo p4p because all rigo has is donaire and he hasn't been in much meaningful fights since. Plus Marquez was ranked higher, is considered a legend, still very dangerous strong counter puncher, future hof'er when Bradley beat him. But if rigo goes and beats frampton and Santa Cruz next then he most definitely deserves to be higher. We can say rigo beats frampton and santa but this is boxing and anything can happen.

Anyways that's just how I see it. Everyone ranks different.

Bradleys last 5 fights.

Pac - Gift decision - Boxing is dead was trending on twitter.

Provodnikov - Fortunate decision in close fight against 140 pounder

Marquez - Best win of his career against a great fighter who has no business at 147 unless he's fighting Pacquiao.

Pac II - Clear loss where he faded down the stretch and looked amateurish at times.

Chaves - Struggled at times against a guy who's claim to fame is getting knocked out by Keith Thurman and not being able to beat Rios.


Bradley could easily be 1-4 if the decisions went the other way.

My opinion he's not elite just very tough and fortunate.

Your opinion he's a top talent who belongs amongst the best.

Agree to disagree.