Wladimir Klitschko would NEVER had reached his prime in a tougher era.

[LacedUp]

They're not excuses, they're facts. Did he actually get outboxed, or outskilled. Can we say that Brewster or Corie Sanders really "had his number". Many greats had that one style that might have had their number, even if that guy with the style wasn't a great fighter himself.

We cannot really say this in Wlad's case, other then that he has a weak chin equivalent to Amir Khan, except he improved his style to accommodate his chin while still winning effectively, whereas Khan is still getting knocked around by nobodies.

That's the worst logic ever. He got KTFO. Did you expect Sanders or Brewster to hang around with him just to prove they could outbox him? Are you really that naive? It doesn't matter if they had his number or not.

He had his losses like most other greats, he improved and redefined his style and went on to bigger and better things. That's it.

There's no need to come up with girly excuses when he clearly lost fair and square 3 times, all by knockout.

[cupocity303]

That's the worst logic ever. He got KTFO. Did you expect Sanders or Brewster to hang around with him just to prove they could outbox him? Are you really that naive? It doesn't matter if they had his number or not.

He had his losses like most other greats, he improved and redefined his style and went on to bigger and better things. That's it.

There's no need to come up with girly excuses when he clearly lost fair and square 3 times, all by knockout.

You're not getting it. The defense is not that his loses weren't conclusive or that his opponents should've hung around with him. The defense is against those who still hold those loses against him when comparing him to other greats.

[M Bison]

Lewis got stopped by so-so heavyweights and people almost universally consider him one of the ATG heavyweights. Wlad's stoppages are still used to depict him as a glass chinned weakling.

We all know the real main difference between the two, why people politely refrain from criticizing one and pour acid on the other no matter what he does, outside of continental Europe anyway.

Nailed it and this is the biased world of boxing fans, you can give credit in one direction but be sure not to hand it out in the direction those others don't like.

All the great heavyweights in the past have lost to guys they shouldn't have but they create this pathetic agenda because Wladimir is white and from Eastern Europe, they're doing it with GGG and they did do it with Kovalev its just pathetic and racist.

[LacedUp]

You're not getting it. The defense is not that his loses weren't conclusive or that his opponents should've hung around with him. The defense is against those who still hold those loses against him when comparing him to other greats.

Eh??

You clearly said: "what Wlad offers in the ring has never truly been beaten".

That's a bs statement, and it's also false, because it has. 3 times. by ko.

[cupocity303]

Eh??

You clearly said: "what Wlad offers in the ring has never truly been beaten".

That's a bs statement, and it's also false, because it has. 3 times. by ko.

Of course, you are purposely mischaracterizing the context.

And why I said it, which is even more important. Simply going, "But he got ko'd by Brewster lolz" isn't argument for him losing to anybody else in the past. He got caught, and he didn't get caught in 10 years and he has fought faster fighters with more power.

But you are boring me. I'll engage some fresh meat on this, not a known Wlad detractor.

[LacedUp]

Of course, you are purposely mischaracterizing the context.

And why I said it, which is even more important. Simply going, "But he got ko'd by Brewster lolz" isn't argument for him losing to anybody else in the past. He got caught, and he didn't get caught in 10 years and he has fought faster fighters with more power.

But you are boring me. I'll engage some fresh meat on this, not a known Wlad detractor.

No, you clearly said that and now you are making excuses for what you said. You are trying to wipe off Wlad's losses as if they never happened or excusing his losses because he didn't get "outboxed" which is just the highest degree of nuthuggerty anyone can commit.

Who cares? nobody is claiming otherwise and nobody is claiming he's not improved. But that doesn't mean he didn't get beat clearly and convincingly 3 times.

Yeah, go back to talking about numbers & "super Klitschkos".

Bye bye fanboy.

[cupocity303]

You can latch on to a strawman like a obsessive compulsive little twit all you want, doesn't make it true.

Bye to you too.

[JasonBoxing]

Lewis got stopped by so-so heavyweights and people almost universally consider him one of the ATG heavyweights. Wlad's stoppages are still used to depict him as a glass chinned weakling.

We all know the real main difference between the two, why people politely refrain from criticizing one and pour acid on the other no matter what he does, outside of continental Europe anyway.

But Lewis came back after his Mccall lost by fighting the likes of Prime Morrison and oh ya MCCALL again.
Lewis came back after his Rahman loss by FIGHTING RAHMAN again.

Wlad came back from his Sanders lost by fighting Williamson and letting Vitali fight Sanders.

[Weltschmerz]

No Wlad would just be a journeyman in any other era. He is a bit of a bum anyway, out of shape and with no skills really.

[champion4ever]

Three KO losses to a journeyman, part-time fighter and fringe contender tells us everything we need to know about the era and level of opposition he has challenged in his prime.