PPV Question..

[FrankieClutch]

It's the same **** as sales in Hip-Hop. Just because someone sells more doesn't mean they are better. PPV sales shouldn't even matter to a boxing fan. Is it nice to know? Yes, I'm always interested in who sold what. Should it be used in an argument? No.

[Manboyeatme]

Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this.

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Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this.

I go around linking Floyd streams to everyone just to starve his family "peeleft:

[Scipio2009]

Why do so many posters seem to hold "PPV Numbers" as part of a fighters skill set? I have seen pages of arguments between posters, without even a mention of the respective fight that the views relate to!!!

Could someone explain why? This is a genuine question, because we make nothing as fans, but people still use PPV as a reason for fights not to be made due to popularity, rather than contention.

"PPV numbers" aren't a part of a fighter's skillset; until recently, they've simply been the most cogent and objective vehicle to determine financial value. If business is to be done between two separate en******, there needs to be a way to determine who gets what.

Not really layman's terms, but think of a business merger: Company AC has $400m in the bank and brings in $50m each year. Company DC has $300m in the bank and brings in $20m each year.

If they were to form Company ACDC, how would the interest between Company AC and Company DC be split in the new company ($700m in the bank and bringing in $80m per year)?

You look at what each side has and what each side is expected to bring going forward and you determin {}% is due to Company AC, while []% is due to Company DC, therefore the interest in the new company is split accordingly.

Reality is never that cut-and-dry, but that's the clearest example I could think of.

In boxing the concept is similar: Fighter X brings in $250k at his gates and does 750k homes on TV. Fighter Y brings in $2m at his gates and does 1.5m homes on TV.

If Fighter X and Fighter Y fight, Fighter Y would expect that the split on the fight recognizes the difference in what he's bringing to the table compared to Fighter X. If Fighter X insists on splitting things even, Fighter Y is rightfully inclined to decline (Y does 2:1 in terms of homes, and 8:1 in terms of the gate).

Other factors could complicate the negotiations (Fighter X paying up for the fight), but that's the root example. How is the prize money split up between two prize fighters.

The rest of the talk is fan passion.

[soul_survivor]

ppv numbers can be used as a bargaining chip but beyond the world of business, it doesnt mean ****. i just want to see the best fight the best. ive been pretty consistent about that

[Johnny Rubber]

"PPV numbers" aren't a part of a fighter's skillset; until recently, they've simply been the most cogent and objective vehicle to determine financial value. If business is to be done between two separate en******, there needs to be a way to determine who gets what.

Not really layman's terms, but think of a business merger: Company AC has $400m in the bank and brings in $50m each year. Company DC has $300m in the bank and brings in $20m each year.

If they were to form Company ACDC, how would the interest between Company AC and Company DC be split in the new company ($700m in the bank and bringing in $80m per year)?

You look at what each side has and what each side is expected to bring going forward and you determin {}% is due to Company AC, while []% is due to Company DC, therefore the interest in the new company is split accordingly.

Reality is never that cut-and-dry, but that's the clearest example I could think of.

In boxing the concept is similar: Fighter X brings in $250k at his gates and does 750k homes on TV. Fighter Y brings in $2m at his gates and does 1.5m homes on TV.

If Fighter X and Fighter Y fight, Fighter Y would expect that the split on the fight recognizes the difference in what he's bringing to the table compared to Fighter X. If Fighter X insists on splitting things even, Fighter Y is rightfully inclined to decline (Y does 2:1 in terms of homes, and 8:1 in terms of the gate).

Other factors could complicate the negotiations (Fighter X paying up for the fight), but that's the root example. How is the prize money split up between two prize fighters.

The rest of the talk is fan passion.

Thanks for taking the time to give a concise answer. I can see how it could be an "issue" for the matchmakers, but sadly it also shows how fighters are nothing more than pawns at that level.

I know boxing has always had that element, but never this widespread or blatant.

[Larry the boss]

Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this.

exactly..people say i am a manny hater yet i order all of his fights..smh

I go around linking Floyd streams to everyone just to starve his family "peeleft:

well you are doing a terrible job...

[U.O.M.B]

I guess now PPV numbers don't matter to pacquaio fans. PPV displays to the world that interest is heavy with a fighter, it's these same people who say numbers dont matter, but when floyd only did 900,000, they jumped all over him.

[JoeKidd]

Good to see people are getting smart with their money! Let's see the Floyd-Amir Khan buys.

[Showtime..]

Because it was a huge deal when Manny was selling high ppv's..once his dropped all the sudden it was no big deal..and then you have Canelo wanting the May and Sept dates and now it is a huge deal...But a low ppv by Floyd is anything under a million..So in all honesty it all revolves around Floyd...700k is a fail for him but ppv's do not matter for anyone else..but he has himself to blame as he calls himself "money" and claims to be the "cash cow"...but it is funny to watch posters flip flop

Well, under 700 is a fail for Pacquiao as well, but because of the location for Rios/Algieri, PPV numbers weren't nearly as important.