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  • #51
    Originally posted by Alibata
    Marquez got caught alot as well with solid lefts. In the 12 round and some other rounds before that. The sting was out of Pac's left for whatever reason he started to hesitate throwing it. When he began to throw it in the later rounds at a higher clip it started to connect. When Manny missed his mark he paid for it with rapid fire counters. I still think Pac would fight alot better in the rematch, then again, I think Marquez would have trained better and would be in better shape. Pac is dangerous the whole 12 rounds. Marquez is a little less dangerous but can slowly beat you down during the course of the fight. I think this would actually be more exciting than a PAC/EM fight because it is a clash between pure opposites. One, a fighter that is brought to the top levels of the game by being an aggressive, powerful and relentlessly brilliant puncher; the other brought by his extremely masterful, tactical counter punching expertise. When extreme opposites collide it makes for a very interesting match up. Is Marquez' counter punching style enough to survive a savage puncher like Manny? Is Manny's powerful relentless attack enough to overcome a masterful technician? This is the fight.
    VERY GOOD CONDITIONING is what Pacman needs against Marquez. JMM proved he got the nose and the chin to survive the bombs of MP.
    But the fight also showed that Pacman lacked very good conditioning unlike in the MAB duel.
    Morales will never fight JMM coz they have the same promoter. But if JMM transfer then who knows. Unfortunately JMM might leap into GB promotion, so no fight against MAB. Arum and GB don't see eye to eye right now. Anyway JMM's manager seems to be so serious in following the rules of the BELTS. So JMM is in **** for now. JMM needs to fight EM or MAB to get his million$$$ dreams. If he doesn't, we'll never know what he can do against this duo.

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    • #52
      Marquez is a very good boxer, right up there with EM and MAB. Bur I can never tell if he can beat them until they fight each other. On the other hand, Marquez could be the more intelligent of the three great Mexicans, in the ring. People don't like Marquez's style because its not exciting and he doesn't take a lot of risk. But when he punches he makes it count. The guy plays his game in the ring and you gotta respect that.

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      • #53
        Againts a puncher like Manny, I think Marquez is very exciting. He does not really get to showcase his excellence unless it is with a fighter who will make him utilize his ability to it's absolute capacity. I think Pacman bring it out of JMM. I hope to see him agains MAB or EM as well. I hope he gets called out by one of the two greats. With just these 4 fighters alone I think the division will be good for a long time. Any combination of the 4 fighters in a match up, including rematches should entertain. EM and MAB will have their hands full with JMM. JMM is a careful calculated fighter who is more intelligent than both Barrera and MAB. I don't think they take him easy if they do at all.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Alibata
          I was watching footage of Marquez againts Licona and other past fights he had and I have come to the conclusion that Marquez is one bad ass fighter. He is quicker than EM or MAB and It looks like he has more power. I was surprise at how really quick Marquez is when he counters with combos. The thing is, to make JMM exciting you need an agressive fighter like PAC that throws a bunch of punches. I think EM/Marquez would have made a good fight as well. But I think JMM would take Morales out handily. I hope they make the rematch with Pac after the EM fight. I wan't to see how the fighters would adapt in the rematch.
          um...no

          Marquez is clearly a level below both.

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          • #55
            I like JMM as much as anyone, but I cant consider him as good as either MAB or Morales. Both of them have a rugged, warrior edge to them that he has yet to possess. He's a great counter puncher and a good boxer, but he's not the boxer/slugger that the other two are..no way at all.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by tracylee
              I like JMM as much as anyone, but I cant consider him as good as either MAB or Morales. Both of them have a rugged, warrior edge to them that he has yet to possess. He's a great counter puncher and a good boxer, but he's not the boxer/slugger that the other two are..no way at all.
              Always the diplomat, your words ring true. Except the usage of "yet" when you mention warrior edge.

              When Marquez got up after that third KD and started throwing, getting hit, and throwing, then went the next 11 rounds with more of the same, I was converted. He never had be believing that he had warrior qualities, until then.

              I figure Marquez consistently fights only slightly above his opponents skill level, to get the win. In Pac-JMM I, Marquez wrongly treated Manny like he knew what to expect and got nailed for it. He'll walk into Pac II not assuming anything and will again fight slightly above his opponents' level for the win. Not the stuff of your typical Mexican warrior, but a win no less.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Munn
                Always the diplomat, your words ring true. Except the usage of "yet" when you mention warrior edge.

                When Marquez got up after that third KD and started throwing, getting hit, and throwing, then went the next 11 rounds with more of the same, I was converted. He never had be believing that he had warrior qualities, until then.

                I figure Marquez consistently fights only slightly above his opponents skill level, to get the win. In Pac-JMM I, Marquez wrongly treated Manny like he knew what to expect and got nailed for it. He'll walk into Pac II not assuming anything and will again fight slightly above his opponents' level for the win. Not the stuff of your typical Mexican warrior, but a win no less.

                Hey I totally agree that it took alot of guts, strength, courage...alot of the 'good stuff' to get back up and keep fighting, and put on such an outstanding performance! I cant remember the last time I saw something quite like that...very impressive. He just doesnt seem quite as rough around the edges as those two are..but in time that could change. He did have one awesome 'come from behind' fight..but each of the others have had more of those types of fights already, even against each other.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by tracylee
                  I like JMM as much as anyone, but I cant consider him as good as either MAB or Morales. Both of them have a rugged, warrior edge to them that he has yet to possess. He's a great counter puncher and a good boxer, but he's not the boxer/slugger that the other two are..no way at all.

                  no way hes as much a warrior as the rest. he proved that.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by cheech306
                    no way hes as much a warrior as the rest. he proved that.
                    I'm not saying he's not a warrior..I dont really know how to explain what I mean, except that he's not developed a certain "edge" they have..must come with time??

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                    • #60
                      please watch morales getting knocked down by pack!!!
                      this coming march 19!!!

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