Comments Thread For: Ivan Redkach Inks Agreement With Al Haymon

[King_]

Well, atleast Haymon should have a potentially competitive league. I understand why alot of fighters want to sign with him because they feel it represents stability with guaranteed pay and exposure. Unfortunately it will cause a major rift in the sport over the next couple years.

Yuck. That first line just about sums up one of the biggest and many problems with Haymon-Schafers "Lets turn boxing into the UFC, or better yet, WWE" plan that has been going on for the past 1.5 years or so

[WombBat]

I think i remember Haymon saying he would never sign a white fighter


looks like that wasnt true

[Scipio2009]

How good is that relationship with showtime when he's going to take the best fights, if he bothers to make any, to NBC since it's timeslots he's paying for

He's not taking the best fights to NBC, especially not anytime soon, for the simple fact that there are only going to be 4 dates on NBC (over, I believe, a rumored two-year deal). Now, in 2017, that calculus may possible change, but that's for another time.

24 shows for $25m, as rumored, basically amounts to 4 'SHO Championship Boxing'- type shows on NBC and 20 'ShoBox/GBP on FS1'-type shows on NBC Sports.

Showtime runs maybe 12 SHO Championship Boxing cards per year; the rumored Haymon deal gives his guys another two big TV dates.

With the emergence of young fighters, like Wilder, Garcia, Thurman, LSC, Stevenson, Quillin, Spence Jr and others, many of whom who are nowhere near ready to carry their own PPV dates, Haymon needs to find good TV dates.

Three fights a show (by 12 SHO dates) amounts to 36 TV fights; to that you add 3-5 PPV events (4 fights a show) and you've got 50-55 prime TV fights.

With all of the budding stars under his banner, those don't amount to enough dates.

Now, if you're Fox Sports 1, expecting Oscar De La Hoya to deliver for you 40 boxing cards, I'd be frustrated.

[Scipio2009]

I think i remember Haymon saying he would never sign a white fighter


looks like that wasnt true

Haymon never talks to the press, so that's false; probably a critic of his moves, seeing all of the black and brown fighters that go with him, trying to lay a gripe on him.

[Pigeons]

He's not taking the best fights to NBC, especially not anytime soon, for the simple fact that there are only going to be 4 dates on NBC (over, I believe, a rumored two-year deal). Now, in 2017, that calculus may possible change, but that's for another time.

24 shows for $25m, as rumored, basically amounts to 4 'SHO Championship Boxing'- type shows on NBC and 20 'ShoBox/GBP on FS1'-type shows on NBC Sports.

Showtime runs maybe 12 SHO Championship Boxing cards per year; the rumored Haymon deal gives his guys another two big TV dates.

With the emergence of young fighters, like Wilder, Garcia, Thurman, LSC, Stevenson, Quillin, Spence Jr and others, many of whom who are nowhere near ready to carry their own PPV dates, Haymon needs to find good TV dates.

Three fights a show (by 12 SHO dates) amounts to 36 TV fights; to that you add 3-5 PPV events (4 fights a show) and you've got 50-55 prime TV fights.

With all of the budding stars under his banner, those don't amount to enough dates.

Now, if you're Fox Sports 1, expecting Oscar De La Hoya to deliver for you 40 boxing cards, I'd be frustrated.

Showtime Extreme can show 2-3 fights before every SHO Championship Boxing broadcast. Next Wednesday ESPN will have a boxing special, most of the fighters on the card are Haymon boxers, so you have to believe ESPN Friday Night Fights and ESPN weekday boxing specials will also be in play.

[Scipio2009]

Clearly Haymon has something major planned for next year - how it pans out is yet to be seen.

I for one, though, find it hard to be all that enthused by what could result in another major rift in the US sport, just when bridges are being rebuilt over the last cold war.

It would be much easier to support Haymons initiatives without the string of mismatches and unmade fights which seem to have become the norm for Haymon fighters throughout 2014.

No bridges have been built, if we're being honest; Oscar De La Hoya apparently reneged on a handshake agreement with Showtime to take Alvarez over to HBO. Beyond that, Hopkins went over to HBO to fight Kovalev (Hopkins had the decency to work things through Showtime for the Stevenson fight, until those talks fell apart, so he went after Kovalev with open arms from Showtime).

Beyond that, nothing's changed; Haymon-affiliated fighters are still on Showtime and Top Rank drives the bulk of the promotional agenda on HBO, with De La Hoya having basically only one chit (Saul Alvarez) to negotiate with.

Final note: Garcia-Salka was clearly a fight that never should've been made, but people stop acting as if every Haymon-affiliated show this year has been that way.

Outside of Hopkins-Kovalev, HBO's 2014 lineup hasn't been all that impressive either, if folks are honest and compare. And the PPV offerings, comparing the two camps, haven't been all that better either.

[Scipio2009]

Showtime Extreme can show 2-3 fights before every SHO Championship Boxing broadcast. Next Wednesday ESPN will have a boxing special, most of the fighters on the card are Haymon boxers, so you have to believe ESPN Friday Night Fights and ESPN weekday boxing specials will also be in play.

130-150 Haymon-affiliated fighters, spread out over Showtime, SHO Extreme, FNF and the special editions, and the rumored 24 NBC dates over two years puts Golden Boy in a trash situation.

With Haymon working to establish all of these other dates for the folks that he works with, how does Golden Boy fulfill their obligation to FS1, let alone build shows for HBO, when Haymon pulls all of his guys?

[BOXEO _]

Redkach vs Canelo would be epic.