Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Pacquiao: The WBC Issues a Statement

[lagako10]

[hectari]

And just like Tyson vs. Lewis, it's two guys who should have fought years before when both were at their best.

The Tyson in this is Pacquiao - a sensational, exciting fighter who used to be an unbeatable dynamo; but is no longer what he used to be.

The Lewis is Mayweather - also not what he used to be, but good enough to slow a fight down and win a boring contest.

It will go the same way with Floyd stopping Pac or winning a decision, but Floyd is still good, his decline is BS he isn't declining at all if anything he just fought a guy who gives him struggles.

Some fights he looks bad some he looks good, the decline stuff makes me laugh if he were declining he would be tired, wouldn't be able to move, and would look bad in every single fight in the past 2 years. But certain styles just give him more problems than others.

Watch his career he always struggled with guys who were awkward and put a lot of pressure punches, like Emmanual Agustus.

Pacman throws a lot of punches but he is not really a pressure mauler who just throws punches like Augustus, Maidana or Margarito types who will just push forward and throw and throw. Pacman is a spurt fighter like Tyson, he doesn't recover anymore like he used to after throwing a combo, Pac would ambush you with combos before you could reset, now instead he tires out and backs out to recoup, he no longer blasts you with another combo after combo. Pac has aged far worse and has more wear and tear in boxing years he is older than Floyd, although Floyd is a few years older than Pac, Floyd style and no damage taking helped him prolong his career while Pacman gets hit a lot and has been knocked out cold and relies on his explosive speed to offset guys., physical attributes like foot speed and handspeed and stamina are youthful traits, you cant use a high volume punching style effectively as you get older due to aging.

Floyd hasn't aged at all to me, people who dont know boxing saw Floyd get hit against maidana and Cotto and say oh he aged or is declining LOL, years ago when he was in his prime he got hit against Augustus who like Maidana was awkward and threw weird punches and was slow too.

Floyd has NEVER been a dancer type in the ring, he plants and roles punches, and hop steps he doesn't stick and move like Ali or Algieri or Khan. He got the runner aura when he fought Castillo the first time, and he really did run in that fight because his shoulder was hurt bad and couldn't stop the pressure effectively, in the rematch he pot shotted and moved and won convincingly.

Floyd was even up on his toes moving in the last round to finish off the round against Maidana in the rematch to avoid getting a flash knockdown. Floyd didn't even breath hard.

Pac on the other hand is shot, dude was gassing after the 9th round flurry on Algeiri before Pac would go berserk and his feet and ambush you with combo and let you open your guard and ambush you with another combo, he would be so fast, now he has heavy feet and he can barely throw 5 punches without gassing, before he would throw and throw when he got a guy hurt now he starts gassing after throwing a combos.

Bet big on Floyd if this fight should happen, its guaranteed money, years ago it would be a 50 50 fight because Pac could get away with his flaws before since he was so fast and had insane stamina, now he can't he is open for the right hand and his feet are heavy and he doesn't have the gas tank he used to.

There is no way Floyd loses this fight, I just hope he makes the fight happen because its all on Floyd if the fight happens or not is up to Floyd he is in full control all he has to do is be willing to negotiate realistically and compromise on certain things and put those old negotiations in the PAST.

[Dle]

The excuses already.....

Not the fighters they used to be...back in their prime I bet you know who would have be you know who to a pulp. That's why is still a good fight today. To see who has enough left to edge out the victory even though PAC has age advantage and Floyd has the undefeated advantage.

[megadeth]

My man, I wasn't even trying to get into a discussion about whose fault was it that the previous negotiations failed and who ducked who. I don't blame you though because that's how things are on these forums and you've gotten used to it. Anyway, I gave my viewpoints to your questions about the negotiations and to me and some others, both sides were to blame. To you, Pac and Arum are to blame. To others, Floyd and his side are to blame. But seriously, at this point in time, who cares?

Neither was I really. Just trying to prove the point that, no matter what Floyd did in 2012, Arum didn't want the fight to get made. My opinion is they all have fault in the fight not getting made.

I don't really care if we say Pac is a PED-using coward who ducked Floyd for many years, Arum's the devil, and Floyd is 100% innocent in all this. Or vice versa. I am not trying to get into that. I am simply focusing on what is going on right now, which is that people behind the scenes are working on trying to get the fight done, so people should be happy about it.

I agree 100%!

Unfortunately, I've seen with my eyes how some posters would rather have a flame war over the forums like what has been happening all these years, instead of getting excited about the fight possibly happening. That was what I was pointing out during my initial post. Also, I did not mean imply that you weren't interested in the fight, and if I did, I apologize.

Exactly. No apology needed bro, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't nor would I ever be one to say that...it's just silly to say(something Floyd might say in an interview), especially when he has had no problem fighting lesser opponents.

[Det. Conan]

It will go the same way with Floyd stopping Pac or winning a decision, but Floyd is still good, his decline is BS he isn't declining at all if anything he just fought a guy who gives him struggles.

Some fights he looks bad some he looks good, the decline stuff makes me laugh if he were declining he would be tired, wouldn't be able to move, and would look bad in every single fight in the past 2 years. But certain styles just give him more problems than others.

Watch his career he always struggled with guys who were awkward and put a lot of pressure punches, like Emmanual Agustus.

Pacman throws a lot of punches but he is not really a pressure mauler who just throws punches like Augustus, Maidana or Margarito types who will just push forward and throw and throw. Pacman is a spurt fighter like Tyson, he doesn't recover anymore like he used to after throwing a combo, Pac would ambush you with combos before you could reset, now instead he tires out and backs out to recoup, he no longer blasts you with another combo after combo. Pac has aged far worse and has more wear and tear in boxing years he is older than Floyd, although Floyd is a few years older than Pac, Floyd style and no damage taking helped him prolong his career while Pacman gets hit a lot and has been knocked out cold and relies on his explosive speed to offset guys., physical attributes like foot speed and handspeed and stamina are youthful traits, you cant use a high volume punching style effectively as you get older due to aging.

Floyd hasn't aged at all to me, people who dont know boxing saw Floyd get hit against maidana and Cotto and say oh he aged or is declining LOL, years ago when he was in his prime he got hit against Augustus who like Maidana was awkward and threw weird punches and was slow too.

Floyd has NEVER been a dancer type in the ring, he plants and roles punches, and hop steps he doesn't stick and move like Ali or Algieri or Khan. He got the runner aura when he fought Castillo the first time, and he really did run in that fight because his shoulder was hurt bad and couldn't stop the pressure effectively, in the rematch he pot shotted and moved and won convincingly.

Floyd was even up on his toes moving in the last round to finish off the round against Maidana in the rematch to avoid getting a flash knockdown. Floyd didn't even breath hard.

Pac on the other hand is shot, dude was gassing after the 9th round flurry on Algeiri before Pac would go berserk and his feet and ambush you with combo and let you open your guard and ambush you with another combo, he would be so fast, now he has heavy feet and he can barely throw 5 punches without gassing, before he would throw and throw when he got a guy hurt now he starts gassing after throwing a combos.

Bet big on Floyd if this fight should happen, its guaranteed money, years ago it would be a 50 50 fight because Pac could get away with his flaws before since he was so fast and had insane stamina, now he can't he is open for the right hand and his feet are heavy and he doesn't have the gas tank he used to.

There is no way Floyd loses this fight, I just hope he makes the fight happen because its all on Floyd if the fight happens or not is up to Floyd he is in full control all he has to do is be willing to negotiate realistically and compromise on certain things and put those old negotiations in the PAST.

Nice long essay. I think you have a solid point(s), However, we can only confirm that if they fight each other. until then, every words we say or hear are just speculations. I suggest to let's not waste our time & efforts to speculations & debates. Better to exerts out efforts & time to put tons of pressure to both camps to finally make the superbowl of boxing happens.

[PAC-BOY]

Neither was I really. Just trying to prove the point that, no matter what Floyd did in 2012, Arum didn't want the fight to get made. My opinion is they all have fault in the fight not getting made.



I agree 100%!



Exactly. No apology needed bro, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't nor would I ever be one to say that...it's just silly to say(something Floyd might say in an interview), especially when he has had no problem fighting lesser opponents.

No you dont!!!

[Canelo Phresh]

The Pac-tard Fl-omo War breaks out again.

[hectari]

Nice long essay. I think you have a solid point(s), However, we can only confirm that if they fight each other. until then, every words we say or hear are just speculations. I suggest to let's not waste our time & efforts to speculations & debates. Better to exerts out efforts & time to put tons of pressure to both camps to finally make the superbowl of boxing happens.

WE can only do so much as fans, but with Floyd it falls on deaf ears.

All we can do is speculate and write analysis, I am fair on my breakdowns some guys are fanatical for Floyd or for Pac. My breakdowns are very fair, I dont call fighters bums at all, and I recognize each skill set, there are guys on youtube like BarryRobinson and Kayden who think they are hot **** and are hardcore Flowmos to the point where they **** on Pacman, and say he is a bum with no skills.

Pac has to have skills, like Algieri said Pac is the best at being Pac, his style is awkward and unique. You cant be a bum with no skills and beat top level guys and go 4 fights with Marquez and hold your own.

I just analyze everything and Pac is not the same fighter, Floyd hasn't aged compared to Pac. People see Floyd get hit and say he aged, Floyd has been hit many times before in his prime watch the Castillo and Augustus fights. He just struggles with a certain style, and Pacman only shot of beating Floyd is to outwork him and this older version no longer can do that. he gasses out and it takes him longer to recover.

Floyd will win easily with right hand and duck unders and over hand rights. If this was Pac who beat Cotto than I would say it was 50 50, but Pac was wide open against Algieri, he couldn't cut off the ring and went back to lunging in face first.

[iloveboxing2]

If Floyd knows he is going to win this, he would have cherry picked Pacman long time ago but he didnt, you know why?because he wants to keep idi ots like you behind his a ss until he retires.

All this hype is hilarious. Once this fight gets made everybody is going to be looking for reasons to discredit Floyd. Because we all know he's going to win.

[iloveboxing2]

Problem with Floyd is, he can't f'n read!