Comments Thread For: De La Hoya To Make a Push For Mayweather-Pacquiao

[radioraheem]

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Originally Posted by LinealChampion View Post
Co promotion, Mayweather promotions is not legit, Mayweather needs someone on his side to do the hard work, rather than be Al Haymon, Ellerbe and Goldenboy, but its clear he needs a promotional company in his corner

Yeah I guess now all Floydie needs is expertise. Or do you think his team is actually capable of promoting a big fight like this one? Fights half this size commonly have 2-3 promoters working together to put all the pieces of the puzzle in line. Floydie's minions would be brain scrambled if they tried it alone.

You must not have been aware that key people from Golden Boy Promotions have resigned after Schaefer's departure, including key investors. And who you do think they are now consulting with?

Golden Boy is also literally going to be in huge trouble come next month with the lawsuit over Canelo. Big time money will have to be paid.

[creekrat77]

I agree. If the fight actually happened, and it played out as a close controversial decision in his favor, a rematch would likely happen. All logic and evidence, including financial, points to this. But they will deny this point you're making. And it's mostly because, first they hate him with a passion, and second they don't believe Floyd will fight Pacquaio in the first place.

We all know what happened with Trinidad vs Oscar. Super fight but no rematch
We can't rely on Floyd's tact and respectfulness alone especially if it's a fight where Floyd runs the whole time avoiding any exchanges and sucking every bit of excitement out of the fight. Everyone ****in know's if Floyd actually fights Manny and wins, he is heII of a lot more likely to not have a re-match then say "hey you know what the fans wanna see a Pac rematch.....I would love to test my legacy against him again!"

[radioraheem]

your views are warped my friend. Every decade people say boxing is dieing and every decade those people are wrong.

The Sports Business Journal recently put out its ***8220;Fight Issue***8221; which gave a rundown on the most-watched boxing matches from April 2013 to April 2014.
The top 6 according to the list compiled by SBJ:

October 5, 2013 ***8211; Miguel Cotto vs. Delvin Rodriguez ***8211; HBO ***8211; 1.55M

September 28, 2013 ***8211; Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. vs. Bryan Vera I ***8211; HBO ***8211; 1.42M

November 2, 2013 ***8211; Gennady Golovkin vs. Curtis Stevens ***8211; HBO ***8211; 1.41M

March 1, 2014 ***8211; Adonis Stevenson vs. Tony Bellew ***8211; HBO ***8211; 1.4M

June 22, 2014 ***8211; Adrien Broner vs. Paulie Malignaggi ***8211; SHO ***8211; 1.28M

December 14, 2014 ***8211; Adrien Broner vs. Marcos Maidana ***8211; SHO ***8211; 1.28M

I dont see Mayweather or Pac on this list. Something tells me Boxing is as strong as its ever been, the numbers dont lie. Right now the best fights are broadcast on paid network channels, while MMA is benefiting from fights on sp.ike t.v. and cbs. The money involved with boxing is to big to stage these fights on regular T.V., MMA doesnt share that distinction.

Boxing will be fine.

It's not warped, it's reality. Boxing is not nearly as popular as it used to be in the old days. There's been a decline, especially in the PPV game. I won't even get into the numbers regarding the fighters you posted, which is kinda of joke.

There is a reason why boxing is no longer even closer to the level of the NBA, NFL, etc. Yes, boxing will be fine. But unless something changes, it won't be as big mainstream wise. It'll just remain at the levels it as now, or get worse (as PPV continues to decline overall).

You don't see Mayweather and Pacquaio on that list -- they are PPV fighters exclusively. If they fought for free on national TV, they would get waaaaay more viewership. This is common sense. Matter of fact, if Mayweather and Pacquaio did fight, to me, it should be held on national TV like the SuperBowl. Because that's exactly what it is, the SuperBowl of boxing.

[radioraheem]

We all know what happened with Trinidad vs Oscar. Super fight but no rematch
We can't rely on Floyd's tact and respectfulness alone especially if it's a fight where Floyd runs the whole time avoiding any exchanges and sucking every bit of excitement out of the fight. Everyone ****in know's if Floyd actually fights Manny and wins, he is heII of a lot more likely to not have a re-match then say "hey you know what the fans wanna see a Pac rematch.....I would love to test my legacy against him again!"

If Floyd accepts the fight, which defies your logic, then a rematch is more likely to happen than not. The only reason your argument holds any weight right now is because Floyd has yet to get in the ring with him. But if that actually happened, and there was a controversial decision in his favor, a rematch would most likely go down. He would've already defied your logic by fighting him the first time, so that's not a good bet for you.

Keep in mind, unlike Oscar, Floyd had rematches with fights that some people deemed to be close, not once, but twice. And those fights had more risk because the fighters weren't on the level of Pacquaio. So he had more to lose by losing to either of them than he would with Pacquaio.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

It's not warped, it's reality. Boxing is not nearly as popular as it used to be in the old days. There's been a decline, especially in the PPV game. I won't even get into the numbers regarding the fighters you posted, which is kinda of joke.

There is a reason why boxing is no longer even closer to the level of the NBA, NFL, etc. Yes, boxing will be fine. But unless something changes, it won't be as big mainstream wise. It'll just remain at the levels it as now, or get worse (as PPV continues to decline overall).

Nothing is anywhere near the Level of the NFL. but we will have to agree to disagree.

[creekrat77]

If Floyd accepts the fight, which defies your logic, then a rematch is more likely to happen than not. The only reason your argument holds any weight right now is because Floyd has yet to get in the ring with him. But if that actually happened, and there was a controversial decision in his favor, a rematch would most likely go down. He would've already defied your logic by fighting him the first time, so that's not a good bet for you.

Keep in mind, unlike Oscar, Floyd had rematches with fights that some people deemed to be close, not once, but twice. And those fights had more risk because the fighters weren't on the level of Pacquaio. So he had more to lose by losing to either of them than he would with Pacquaio.

Yea but Oscar never called himself "TBE" and didn't market himself as unbeatable by anyone in history whilst actively ducking the #2 welterweight. Oscar had the luxury to walk away from close decision's because he would admit that maybe his opponent got the best of him but he was gifted the decision. On the other hand Floyd never admits that he is wrong or that someone has bested him. I hope to god I am wrong about Floyd not taking this fight. What I do know is the fan's assuming Floyd will do the right thing and sitting back and letting Floyd make his choice with no pressure obviously would amount to Floyd making up some kind of excuse to not fight Pac. In doing so he would finish out his Showtime contract with other lesser names and fight Pac after (wishful thinking); whether Pac is in the same shape or even active by then is undetermined. What we do know is the fight can be made at this point in time, but Floyd is showing his same persistent avoidance of all things Manny Pacquiao and acting like a 20 year-old kid in his shots he has taken at him.

[radioraheem]

Yea but Oscar never called himself "TBE" and didn't market himself as unbeatable by anyone in history whilst actively ducking the #2 welterweight. Oscar had the luxury to walk away from close decision's because he would admit that maybe his opponent got the best of him but he was gifted the decision. On the other hand Floyd never admits that he is wrong or that someone has bested him. I hope to god I am wrong about Floyd not taking this fight. What I do know is the fan's assuming Floyd will do the right thing and sitting back and letting Floyd make his choice with no pressure obviously would amount to Floyd making up some kind of excuse to not fight Pac. In doing so he would finish out his Showtime contract with other lesser names and fight Pac after (wishful thinking); whether Pac is in the same shape or even active by then is undetermined. What we do know is the fight can be made at this point in time, but Floyd is showing his same persistent avoidance of all things Manny Pacquiao and acting like a 20 year-old kid in his shots he has taken at him.

Of course he never admitted someone bested him because he officially got the W and more than half the media also gave him the W the first time. So he had little reason to admit that someone 'bested' him. And to make matters worse, with the rematches, he made it even more evidently clear that he is the better fighter. Which only gives him that much more reason to believe he won the first time around.

Your argument about a no-rematch holds weight up until Floyd gets into the ring with him. If that ever happens, your argument will no longer have ANY legs to stand on. But until that day comes, enjoy your bashing. Just pray you don't end up like the Matthysse fans.

[radioraheem]

Nothing is anywhere near the Level of the NFL. but we will have to agree to disagree.

Put it like this. The NBA, NFL, WWF/WWE, etc, would be nowhere near the level it's at today if they didn't feature their stars regularly or occasionally for free on national TV. If they took the steps professional boxing took... I don't even need to say it.

[creekrat77]

Of course he never admitted someone bested him because he officially got the W and more than half the media also gave him the W the first time. So he had little reason to admit that someone 'bested' him. And to make matters worse, with the rematches, he made it even more evidently clear that he is the better fighter. Which only gives him that much more reason to believe he won the first time around.

Your argument about a no-rematch holds weight up until Floyd gets into the ring with him. If that ever happens, your argument will no longer have ANY legs to stand on. But until that day comes, enjoy your bashing. Just pray you don't end up like the Matthysse fans.

I meant him admitting someone bested him in regards to Castillo 1 where Castillo beat him in the boxing ring fair and square but Floyd was given the decision. Floyd gets all this widespread hate because he say's he is unbeatable at the weights he campaigns in but we have seen guys in their respected primes through the years when he's been active at these weights who would have and in some cases still would give him a "run" for his money. Pun intended.

I just cringe at the idea of this fight taking place and it all being on Floyd Mayweather Jr's terms. Dear god in heaven don't let the fight happen if that's the case.

[sosiqwitit]

the only reason pacquiao was able to KO de la hoya is because floyd jr softened him up so much it would be pacquiao last KO

you talking about featherfisted mayweather? you don't say... trolling at its finest