All time Heavyweight tourney #6 Evander Holyfield vs #11 Vitali Klitschko

[Daddy T]

Holyfield got too many skills for vits. He wins a close, competitive decision.

[beez721]

Lewis beat Golota in 1 round, who beat Byrd but was robbed who beat Vitali.

Lewis over Vitali.

Makes as much sense as what you just wrote.

I agree that lewis beats vitali most of the time but I never understand when people bring up the byrd fight to make comparisons. vitali didnt look great but was pretty much dominating before quitting due to the torn shoulder. that was kinda flukey

[M Bison]

you mean stop him on cuts? Id be pretty shocked if holyfeild would have knocked big vit out. vitali was no wlad in the chin department and holyfield didnt normally knock the bigger sturdier guys out. could see holy winning a decision ala foreman style but closer on points. just my opinion

No he is just trying to get a reaction that is all.

[M Bison]

Holyfield got too many skills for vits. He wins a close, competitive decision.

Remember when people said that about David Haye?
Oh he's too fast, oh he'll go war he will be able to do this and that...
This is the exact same case the only difference is Evander wouldn't have a punchers chance against Vitali maybe he could hope for him to get a bad cut or become injured but he does not beat him in terms of the boxing department.

WAAAY overrating Holyfields ability.

[Ray Corso]

My understanding of the "fantasy fights" is that each opponent is in his "prime"! Evander in his prime is a superior talent to Vitali, he will win inside or outside because Vitali is only big he's NOT the more talented fighter!
When Vitali jabs Evander will be countering with punches or moves into him then punching and the Klitz Bros are SLOW on their feet and hands compared to most ATG fighters. They never work in combination and they will both "mark up" badly and their reactions when stunned or hurt is like a red flag being raised, they show it!

So if its a tko or KO or whatever he gets beat up! Prime Evander is a different guy than the one who hung around to long, you know that right?
This size banter has become so ****** its ruining the forum, if these guys were great talents along with being bigger than most that's one thing but they don't exhibit skills and techniques above ordinary, that's it that's my opinion and I was in this business for 50 years!!! I give credit for their spirit and success now but when you put them in with all around fighters with high skill levels they are "ordinary"!
Ray

[Daddy T]

Remember when people said that about David Haye?
Oh he's too fast, oh he'll go war he will be able to do this and that...
This is the exact same case the only difference is Evander wouldn't have a punchers chance against Vitali maybe he could hope for him to get a bad cut or become injured but he does not beat him in terms of the boxing department.

WAAAY overrating Holyfields ability.

I don't recall vits beating haye. And anyway Holyfield is not haye.

[LacedUp]

I agree that lewis beats vitali most of the time but I never understand when people bring up the byrd fight to make comparisons. vitali didnt look great but was pretty much dominating before quitting due to the torn shoulder. that was kinda flukey

I think Lewis-Vitali is pretty evenly matched.

I'm not using the Byrd fight, I just thought it was totally ridiculous to say because Holyfield gave Lewis a good fight and Vitali was leading Lewis on the scorecards then it's a foregone conclusion that Vitali would beat Holyfield as was the OPs suggestion.

I don't think Vitali looked particularly great against Byrd, but he's more than made up for that fight in other fights anyway.

I think Holyfield-Vitali could go either way. I'm simply picking Holyfield based on him impressing me vs better opposition than Vitali has impressed me against.

[LacedUp]

Remember when people said that about David Haye?
Oh he's too fast, oh he'll go war he will be able to do this and that...
This is the exact same case the only difference is Evander wouldn't have a punchers chance against Vitali maybe he could hope for him to get a bad cut or become injured but he does not beat him in terms of the boxing department.

WAAAY overrating Holyfields ability.

When did Vitali fight Haye?

Also, Holyfield and Haye fight absolutely nothing alike.

[M Bison]

My understanding of the "fantasy fights" is that each opponent is in his "prime"! Evander in his prime is a superior talent to Vitali, he will win inside or outside because Vitali is only big he's NOT the more talented fighter!
When Vitali jabs Evander will be countering with punches or moves into him then punching and the Klitz Bros are SLOW on their feet and hands compared to most ATG fighters. They never work in combination and they will both "mark up" badly and their reactions when stunned or hurt is like a red flag being raised, they show it!

So if its a tko or KO or whatever he gets beat up! Prime Evander is a different guy than the one who hung around to long, you know that right?
This size banter has become so ****** its ruining the forum, if these guys were great talents along with being bigger than most that's one thing but they don't exhibit skills and techniques above ordinary, that's it that's my opinion and I was in this business for 50 years!!! I give credit for their spirit and success now but when you but them in with all around fighters with high skill levels they are "ordinary"!
Ray

Most ATG fighters you mention in the heavyweight division are in the low 210 - 220lbs so obviously they might be slightly faster on their feet but what I don't get is...
What do you want either of the two to do... cut weight and go down to 220lbs so they meet your expectation of a fast heavyweight lol, its absolutely ridiculous.

Mr David Haye is a fast and agile fighter equal to or greater speed than some of the ATG's yet somehow his speed didn't play such a big factor.
Obviously its all rife because you'll just follow with the usual statement of he wasn't as skilled as {Insert ATG name here} so its null and void.

You can't be meaning to tell me you give them respect when you're saying they're slow and they're robotic this and that when Vitali is arguably the most impressive heavyweight we've had in recent years.
They may be 'ordinary' in your mind but in a division of several thousand fighters their seems to not have been one guy who has stepped close to them in how many years?

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