Lennox beats Vlad all day

[gmc_rfc_06]

Prime Lennox beats both Klitschko's.

He'd always have an entertaining fight with Vitali, styles just fit to make good action. He would always win though as he's simply the better fighter. As for Wlad, that would be more tactical but Lennox would fold him.

[Daddy T]

You have nothing objective on this issue at all.

Lewis won the fight.

Vitali BEAT LEwis.

who won Meldrick Taylor or Chavez I?

If you don't say Taylor you are a hypocrite.

If you do say Taylor you don't know **** about boxing.

If you don't answer with the name of one of the two guys you are a coward.

So let's hear it?

[LacedUp]

who won Meldrick Taylor or Chavez I?

If you don't say Taylor you are a hypocrite.

If you do say Taylor you don't know **** about boxing.

If you don't answer with the name of one of the two guys you are a coward.

So let's hear it?

He's clearly never seen that fight.

He's maybe seen Charr vs Vitali which was unfairly stopped.

[Weebler I]

Cuts are freak occurrences. So, if you take away the cuts Lewis did not show that he could outbox Vitali or definitely beat him.

Are they though? they're reasonably foreseeable part of a fight. There's nothing they wouldn't happen in every meeting between the two of them.

Losing on a cut while winning the fight isn't exactly "smashed to pieces", but for those of you whose self-esteem rides on the Klitschkos losing, you'll take what you can get and exaggerate it beyond recognition.

Lewis himself was portrayed as the big boring foreign villain before the K bros arrived (although I never viewed him that way), but now he's just seen as a way of getting to them.

I wonder what the average height of fanatic anti-Klitschko posters is.

I already know why slick brothas hate them and UK tabloid readers hate them. I'm going to go ahead and assume the remaining demographic are 5'3".

I'm not keen on Wlad because he holds a lot and doesn't fight threats unless the sanctioning bodies force him to. It's almost like Mayweather in that he'll fight the easiest opponents if he can get away with it and has all the advantages in terms of officiating.

But, at least he does fight them when mandated and has fought the next best in the division, so he's a step above FMJ who has threatened to vacate a belt if he can't avoid a guy.

[sunny31]

Against Lewis, funnily enough I think Wlad only has a punchers chance, he would need to hit Lewis first with something massive. Quite frankly there is a very small chance of this happening.

My prediction is after a feeling out round, Lennox bombs Wlad out anytime between rounds 2-4. Wlads chin is too vulnerable to survive any kind of exchanging with someone who has the power of Lewis. I fear the same thing would happen to Wlad against many of the top heavyweights of the previous era, guys like prime Holyfield and prime Tyson had the skills, speed, and strength to get to Wlad's chin and once they got their it would be the beginning of the end. Even Bowe at his best was a complete fighter who would probably fold Wlad up like lawn chair.

Wladimir is a strange case because he has some attributes which have rarely been seen on a man of that size, if ever. But he has had to create a style to protect his one big deficiency, formulated by the late great Manny Steward. But that style and it's success is predicated on his opponents being smaller, weaker, with inferior hand speed, foot speed, reach, and general ability. This would not be the case against some of the aforementioned fighters. Most times when Wlad fights someone near his own height and size he starts looking more vulnerable even if that fighter possesses a very limited skillet and ability.

You sense that a tall fighter with moderate ability, good speed and a big punch would pose a serious threat to Wlad, Lennox is far more than that.

[slicksouthpaw16]

As you say, the debate is very boring and I am not gonna bother starting one now, but if you think there is no controversy then you must be a moron. As you say, he lost because 'he had his face smashed to bits', aka cuts. Take away cuts, and he was winning the fight on points, outlanded Lewis, and was still strong in the 6th round - no idea why that round was given to Lewis, the only punch that was notable that he landed in that round was THAT uppercut, where Vitali proved he could take a flush power shot from Lennox. In other words, take away the cuts and it was Lewis that was far more tired in there and struggling to go on. Did he look eager to keep fighting at the end? No.

And yes, you will say - but, if, etc...but all I will say is, I take away cuts in the conversation of a series of fights between these guys because there is no way you can ascertain that if they were to fight again any more cuts would occur. And from the first fight, Vitali proved he was fighting a better fight than Lewis. Cuts are freak occurrences. So, if you take away the cuts Lewis did not show that he could outbox Vitali or definitely beat him.

So no way you can say there was no controversy and it was a definitive proof that Lewis would win anyday. Maybe he would, but that is a pretty ****** thing to say IMO.

You call the debate boring, and yet immediately start one lol. One thing that is alarming to me is when you say "if you take away the cuts". That's kind of like saying "if you take away Terry Norris's chin problems, he'd be unbeaten in his prime". Not only does that not make sense because of the fact that these are qualities that you cannot just "take away", but yes, fighters tend to get cut when they are hit in the face repeatedly with power shots from a puncher. In addition, i think you (and a lot of others) fail to remember what was going on before the stoppage, and only remember the close scorecard in which Vitali WAS leading. But if you remember, in the last round, Lennox was starting to lay some damage on Vitali (who was noticeably fading at that point) and actually won the round before the stoppage. So I'm not exactly where you get the notion that Vitali (who was already in training and in shape anyway) would get the better of a prime Lennox in a series, i truly don't. Lennox was half a55ed training for a farewell bout against Kirk Johnson and was out of shape, and still ended up winning the fight fairly against a young, hungry challenger and was damaging him in the last round. If both fought at their best, you'd have to think it would be easier for Lennox, who was the more fluid boxer, better feet, faster etc. I think it would be helpful for you to take a closer look at the facts surrounding that fight.

[BlakBread904]

Lennox is a certified Mama's boy. They even wrote a book about it. Lennox invited Vitali to his home in London. Vitali flew to England to personally meet Lennox and talk about the rematch. When Lennox' mum saw Vitali, she studied him closely, looking at him with terror in her eyes.

After Vitali left, Lennox decided that he wouldn't ever fight him again - but it was a decision his mama made. She told him he couldn't fight Vitali again, and Lennox obeyed.

:lol:wow did not know that book existed. man that's some punk **** right there. shame on Lennox

[M Bison]

who won Meldrick Taylor or Chavez I?

If you don't say Taylor you are a hypocrite.

If you do say Taylor you don't know **** about boxing.

If you don't answer with the name of one of the two guys you are a coward.

So let's hear it?

Taylor was absolutely kicking his ass and the ref robbed Meldrick of that fight.

Taylor imo won the first fight, Vitali lost the first fight but Lewis cheated Vitali out of a rematch when he promised one that is something somebody with little honour would do.
Not even Chavez Sr cheated Taylor out of a rematch.

[M Bison]

Are they though? they're reasonably foreseeable part of a fight. There's nothing they wouldn't happen in every meeting between the two of them.

How often has a rematch of a fight ended in the same fashion of a cut from both fights?
Has anyone ever won two consecutive fights with the same person via cuts?

I think you'll be hard pressed to think of many circumstances of that happening, maybe low profile fights but certainly not world class top of the table ranking fights.

It was an unfortunate end to the fight and we never really got to know if what Lewis was saying after the fight was done was really true -
"I was getting to him"
"I'm in good shape"
"I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"

It's gutting for many reasons, Lewis cut his career short because of Vitali and we likely missed some more great fights that could have been made.

[Robbie Barrett]

Taylor was absolutely kicking his ass and the ref robbed Meldrick of that fight.

Taylor imo won the first fight, Vitali lost the first fight but Lewis cheated Vitali out of a rematch when he promised one that is something somebody with little honour would do.
Not even Chavez Sr cheated Taylor out of a rematch.

Like promising someone a fight if he beats somebody else and then not giving it them?