George Foreman is the GOAT not Ali

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • kardsufur
    Undisputed Champion
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Sep 2013
    • 3861
    • 146
    • 127
    • 10,355

    #1

    George Foreman is the GOAT not Ali

    A case can be made for George Foreman being the greatest heavyweight of all time.

    1. in his prime, he only lost to Ali and Jimmy Young. The loss to Ali is suspect as Ali leaned on the malfunctioning ropes the entire fight while Foreman pressed all the action and dominated him. In a rematch Foreman would have KTFO Ali brutally.

    2. he annihilated every single opponent of Ali who defeated Ali. Annihilated Ken Norton whom Ali lost to, annihilated Joe Frazier whom Ali lost to, annihilated common opponents better such as Chuvalo in 3 when Ali took him 12 UD, annihilated Ron Lyle in 5, Ali took 11, etc, etc.

    3. Then Foreman came back in a whole 2nd career at age 38 spanning another full 10 years where he annihilated more people finishing with an unprecedented and mind blowing 76(68 KO's)-5 record where he destroyed Michael Moore and captured the heavyweight title again at an unprecedented age.

    I think a clear case can be made for Foreman being the #1 GOAT at heavyweight, however at the minimum I can see some people having Ali, but Foreman at the minimum is #2 greatest of all time. The only thing against him is that he lost to the #1 guy in a suspect fight where the #1 guy used dishonorable cowardly tactics otherwise he would of been annihilated. In a rematch, Foreman who was owning Ali physically in that fight would have destroyed Ali.

    To me he is the #1 heavyweight of all time.

  • embryo
    Interim Champion
    Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
    • May 2014
    • 964
    • 47
    • 69
    • 25,346

    #2
    The greatest of all time wouldn't quit boxing because he couldn't handle a couple of losses. And then come back because he needed money by fighting dozens of bums.

    Comment

    • LacedUp
      Still Smokin'
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Oct 2009
      • 29171
      • 781
      • 381
      • 132,163

      #3
      Foreman is clearly not the greatest, but a strong case could be made for him to be top 5-6.

      Comment

      • El-blanco
        Undisputed Champion
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Jul 2014
        • 12647
        • 616
        • 2,141
        • 23,841

        #4
        I have no issue with people rating him highly, what he accomplished and how he did it was impressive. That Lyle fight is insane, if you haven't seen it yet, check it out.

        Comment

        • kardsufur
          Undisputed Champion
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Sep 2013
          • 3861
          • 146
          • 127
          • 10,355

          #5
          Originally posted by LacedUp
          Foreman is clearly not the greatest, but a strong case could be made for him to be top 5-6.
          How the hell you figure top 5-6? He's easily #2 if not #1. Please tell me how anyone can be above him at 2 3 or 4.

          Comment

          • Elroy1
            Undisputed Champion
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Jun 2014
            • 6561
            • 237
            • 61
            • 14,370

            #6
            George Foreman is not the GOAT in an absolute H2H sense, I don't agree with that. But he deserves to be talked about in those circles.

            I totally agree however that Foreman was the best boxer of the 70's AND, even if George Foreman still LOST to Ali, as he indeed did, but then rematched and WON against him, as he indeed undoubtedly would have, then it would be crystal clear that George Foreman, would have joined that class of boxer known as a "dominant" champion, having taken on, and beaten all the big named boxers of the 70's. That combined with his good run in the 90's would elevate him to a level of greatness basically unheard of in boxing ever. So in this sense I can totally agree.

            We can see how Foreman was overconfident and fought ridiculous in that fight with Ali. We can also see how ridiculous and lucky Ali's strategy (or lack thereof) was is letting Geroge wail on him. And then there's all the other stigmas that go with that fight and the fact he was confinded and couldn't even spar for it. And Ali clearly ducked the Foreman rematch like he did no other.

            Other than this highly controversial affair, George slugged out Frazier and Norton as if they were nothing. Fighters that imo bested Ali most times they fought.

            George Foreman was the best HW of the 70's. Fact.

            Comment

            • Robbie Barrett
              Banned
              Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
              • Nov 2013
              • 40891
              • 2,779
              • 667
              • 570,921

              #7
              Imagine what his record would be like if he hadn't have took all those years off.

              Comment

              • kardsufur
                Undisputed Champion
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • Sep 2013
                • 3861
                • 146
                • 127
                • 10,355

                #8
                Originally posted by Elroy1
                George Foreman is not the GOAT in an absolute H2H sense, I don't agree with that. But he deserves to be talked about in those circles.

                I totally agree however that Foreman was the best boxer of the 70's AND, even if George Foreman still LOST to Ali, as he indeed did, but then rematched and WON against him, as he indeed undoubtedly would have, then it would be crystal clear that George Foreman, would have joined that class of boxer known as a "dominant" champion, having taken on, and beaten all the big named boxers of the 70's. That combined with his good run in the 90's would elevate him to a level of greatness basically unheard of in boxing ever. So in this sense I can totally agree.

                We can see how Foreman was overconfident and fought ridiculous in that fight with Ali. We can also see how ridiculous and lucky Ali's strategy (or lack thereof) was is letting Geroge wail on him. And then there's all the other stigmas that go with that fight and the fact he was confinded and couldn't even spar for it. And Ali clearly ducked the Foreman rematch like he did no other.

                Other than this highly controversial affair, George slugged out Frazier and Norton as if they were nothing. Fighters that imo bested Ali most times they fought.

                George Foreman was the best HW of the 70's. Fact.
                #FACTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ GREEN K brother

                Comment

                • kardsufur
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 3861
                  • 146
                  • 127
                  • 10,355

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
                  Imagine what his record would be like if he hadn't have took all those years off.
                  probably 200-7 with 190 ko's

                  Comment

                  • LacedUp
                    Still Smokin'
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 29171
                    • 781
                    • 381
                    • 132,163

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kardsufur
                    How the hell you figure top 5-6? He's easily #2 if not #1. Please tell me how anyone can be above him at 2 3 or 4.
                    If you have to ask, it's not worth explaining to you.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP