Wladimir gets KO'd by Foreman and Tyson (link to where he got wobbled by Pulev)

[cupocity303]

And no, we've already been through this. After far more extensive analysis and debate, those two are not in contention of beating Wlad in mythical match-up's.

Tyson loses 9 times out of 10 with respectfully giving him the benefit of doubt that he may get lucky once. And Foreman is a 6'3 Robot. If a 6'3 Haye couldn't do it with all the speed to get to that chin, then a slower power puncher (albeit his greatness is over-hyped) won't even come close. Wlad is not Michael Moorer and he defintely isn't 5'11 Frazier.

Hell he isn't even past-prime Ali, to be beaten up against the ropes all night.

[Butt stuff]

Then you are freakin delusional mate. Lyle was a really good fighter, and hit much harder than Pulev. He also had excellent head and footmovement and threw every punch in the book, threw combinations, had a good chin etc.

There's no comparison between Poolev and Lyle and you clearly haven't watched Lyle fight.

[cupocity303]

TBut guys who are actually have something that is a threat to Wladimir will never get a rematch. A shot to dead - that you can jab to dead - Lamon Brewster can get one

He will get a rematch if he doesn't quit Boxing and works his way back up to a mandatory position like Thompson did. Simple as that.

Time is a waste and nobody is gonna clamor for a rematch here as there was no controversy. It was a clean finish. Wilder-Stiverne, Tyson Fury are waiting.

[LacedUp]

I did say many years ago that I believed Foreman would be very capable of beating Wladimir, he has possibly the ATG chins of the HW division especially if you see how he performs through his later years the only stoppage in his career came through him punching himself out.

Abell is a big puncher as well, can't deny him that look at his ratio.
What would be a more accurate thing to say about Abell is that he is a very limited fighter but the current best heavies of right now have been hurt by him (Fury and Pulev).
Its almost inevitable to avoid being hit at all in a fight but when you're taking a shot off a big man nothing can be took for granted.
We've seen plenty of great fighters being knocked down by lesser fighters like JMM being dropped by Katisidis but it doesn't take away from the fact JMM is a world class fighter.

Pulev still has many years left in his career and people who will follow the HW division will realize he isn't as bad as Wladimir made him look tonight.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, and for the record, I don't think Pulev is a bad fighter per se, he's just not good either. He's ok. I mean he does the basics ok, he's got an ok jab, decent conditioning, comes to fight etc.

But a guy like that could never trouble a guy like Wlad, because he doesn't have the tools to do so. He doesn't even have the power to knock any good heavyweight out, let alone the champion.

He'll rack up a few wins, but will also lose a few. Of that I'm convinced.

[Money Shot]

He took a big shot from Wach also and fought through it. I'm still jacked by his display tonight, a 38 year old is not supposed to be this good, salute the guy for what he is - an atg heavyweight, a high atg at that and credit to the sport. Only a Lennox Lewis or possibly peak Vitali could have wrecked Pulev like that.

[cupocity303]

But in the video I linked Wladimir was wobbled by a jab from Pulev. Pulev isn't a big hitter. A jab wobbled Klitschko.

How is it even possible to say Klitschko has an alright chin.

Circumstances sunny. Everyone can throw a proper punch at a proper time.

Collazo is not known for being a big puncher and yet he Ko'd Victor Ortiz who by no means has a glass chin.

[KO'er]

Eh, Mike Tyson hits harder than anybody Wladimir has ever faced. If Wladimir tries to lean on Tyson Wladimir gets an elbow to the face or his arm twisted.

When Tyson looks at Wladimir's chin all he sees is jelly. Going by Klitschko-Povetkin, in a Mike Tyson-Wladimir Klitchko match-up all we'll see is:

Clinch, clinch, lean, lean, lean, lean, lean, clinch, clinch.....30 seconds into the first round first jab from Wladimir.....Clinch, clinch, lean, lean, lean, lean, lean, clinch, clinch

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his chin is truly all time terrible. he had to develop his grab style because he simply can't take punches.

Isn't as bad as Abregu's. That was the worst chin I've seen in history.

[Build That Wall]

His chin is awful. To beat Klitschko at this point in his career, because of the way he fights, the type of fighter who can do it is someone with serious power, and someone with a just as long or even longer reach than Klitschko.

[dan_cov]

No shame they are both two of the best and hardest hitting heavyweights ever.
They're both a horrible style match up for anyone.
I think they're all capable of beating each other really but yh I'd pick Foreman to beat Wladimir, not so sure about Tyson he had big problems from fighters with similar styles and attributes to Wlads.