Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: If I Do Well, I Could Easily Be at 140 Next

[KnickTillDeaTh]

let's just agree that floyd and pac felt that their opponent is too big that they needed a catchweight.
anyway the floyd- canelo is floyd's 3rd 154 championship
and pac-cotto is pacquiao's first 147 championship. and also the endtail of five fights from 130-147.

i would really be impressed if floyd can fight in 4 weight division(130-147) in five fights with catchweight in 147.
and i would also be impressed if manny can fight in 3 154 championship spanning 6 years.

6/2005 Mayweather Wins WBC world Light Welterweight Title
11/2005 moves to welterweight and defeats Sharmba Mitchell
4/2006 Wins IBF world Welterweight title
11/2006 Wins WBC world welterweight title
05/2007 Moves up to Light Middleweight wins WBC world Light Middleweight title.

3 weights 4 championships in 5 fights less then 2 years. Why is that not already impressive? And if it wasn't for a hand injury and having to fight 2 eliminators Mayweather would have done it faster and sooner. what both these men have done is immensely impressive and whoever denies that has an agenda, bias, hating, or just doesn't know boxing.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I already answered it in the other post.

Floyd vs risky fights is uncharted territory.
Manny vs risky opponents have happened enough to not question too much Manny's future opponents.

Manny wanted to fight last year the top 3 WWs. Floyd, Bradley and the guy who KOed him Marquez. They all said no. This year only one said yes. Manny fought him and won.

Floyd on the other hand said the following:
"Does Manny want to fight me? Absolutely he does but I'm not desperate"
"Manny is my mandatory? Manny can have my belt!"


I can give you more examples but its harder to complain on Manny compared to Floyd. Floyd's middle name should be changed to "Floyd cherry picker Mayweather".

BTW - I have questioned some of Manny's opponents in the past.

Maidana signing a contract to fight Thurman then pulling out after watching tape is ducking. Not fighting a fighter who called you out is not ducking. You consider Mayweather a cherry picker why? Tell me the opponents he cherry picked. List them.

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If it was Floyd talking about moving down, he would be absolutely crucified. Somehow when it's Pac, every excuse becomes reasonable.

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Maidana signing a contract to fight Thurman then pulling out after watching tape is ducking. Not fighting a fighter who called you out is not ducking. You consider Mayweather a cherry picker why? Tell me the opponents he cherry picked. List them.

I already listed them.

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If it was Floyd talking about moving down, he would be absolutely crucified. Somehow when it's Pac, every excuse becomes reasonable.

Floyd got the title at 154 but still goes down to 147. Is he being crucified for it?

You are making it sound like its a bad thing to go up and down 2 or 3 divisions. It's not as long as you want to fight the best in each division. At 147, Floyd and Marquez want no part of Manny. Floyd is looking for a relatively easier version of Manny while Marquez doesn't want to loose that "feeling".

If Manny fights the best that there is at 140, I'm OK with that. It just gives him more options.

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Floyd got the title at 154 but still goes down to 147. Is he being crucified for it?

You are making it sound like its a bad thing to go up and down 2 or 3 divisions. It's not as long as you want to fight the best in each division. At 147, Floyd and Marquez want no part of Manny. Floyd is looking for a relatively easier version of Manny while Marquez doesn't want to loose that "feeling".

If Manny fights the best that there is at 140, I'm OK with that. It just gives him more options.

Because the fighters:

1. Aren't better fighters than the ones at 147
2. Aren't more dangerous than the ones at 147

Just stop it. You know that u would be leading the pack crucifying Floyd if it were him. Just admit it. Somehow you ALWAYS have a defense for what Pac does. Have you EVER critisized him for ANYTHING?

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Floyd got the title at 154 but still goes down to 147. Is he being crucified for it?

You are making it sound like its a bad thing to go up and down 2 or 3 divisions. It's not as long as you want to fight the best in each division. At 147, Floyd and Marquez want no part of Manny. Floyd is looking for a relatively easier version of Manny while Marquez doesn't want to loose that "feeling".

If Manny fights the best that there is at 140, I'm OK with that. It just gives him more options.

What if Manny doesn't fight the best there is at 140? What if he says he wants to fight Floyd, but plans to move to 140 regardless and fights Jesse Vargas? Or whichever 140 fighter Arum happens to have expendable at the time?

How do you not see a problem with this? . . . If no one mentioned anyone and he moved to 140 that is one thing, but calling out Floyd consistently and making it look like he's the one at fault, when he has no intentions to stay at 147 in the first place, and his promoter already has a stable of medicore matches lined up for him to make him look good against is kinda dumb.

I'm not saying if he stays at 147 he'd get a Floyd fight, I have no idea what would happen, but beyond Floyd there is still a stacked division at 147, and supposedly the cold war has ended, yet somehow Pac isn't allowed to face any GBP fighters still?

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Because the fighters:

1. Aren't better fighters than the ones at 147
2. Aren't more dangerous than the ones at 147

Just stop it. You know that u would be leading the pack crucifying Floyd if it were him. Just admit it. Somehow you ALWAYS have a defense for what Pac does. Have you EVER critisized him for ANYTHING?

Manny doesn't have to fight everyone at 140/147. He can pick and choose the best fights. If he fights the best at 140, its better than fighting someone who had to come up to 147 from 140 and better than fighting someone who is unproven at 147.

Don't be fooled in thinking that Floyd fought the best at 147 because he didn't. What he did is pick a guy who won a fight that was hyped up then fought him before anyone else can dismantle their flaws.

Have I ever criticized Manny? Yes. For example selecting Algieri. I have said it enough times that I'm not too thrilled by that selection..... but that doesn't mean that Algieri is not a good opponent. For Manny, it does nothing for him. If he wins, people will say that he was supposed to. Its a no win situation. The problem is that nobody knows much about Algieri so its hard to get up for that fight. But looking at some tapes of him, he can cause Manny some problems due to his height/reach advantage, movement, defense, youth and work rate. Manny can't sleep on this guy or he can lose. He can definitely look bad against that kind of fighter. Anyone can.

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What if Manny doesn't fight the best there is at 140? What if he says he wants to fight Floyd, but plans to move to 140 regardless and fights Jesse Vargas? Or whichever 140 fighter Arum happens to have expendable at the time?

How do you not see a problem with this? . . . If no one mentioned anyone and he moved to 140 that is one thing, but calling out Floyd consistently and making it look like he's the one at fault, when he has no intentions to stay at 147 in the first place, and his promoter already has a stable of medicore matches lined up for him to make him look good against is kinda dumb.

I'm not saying if he stays at 147 he'd get a Floyd fight, I have no idea what would happen, but beyond Floyd there is still a stacked division at 147, and supposedly the cold war has ended, yet somehow Pac isn't allowed to face any GBP fighters still?

Look, even if Manny goes down to 140, he can still come back up to fight some good fights at 147. It gives him more options.

If Manny goes down to fight a nobody then sure its not a move that anyone would like.

As for not wanting to fight Floyd, HA! You might blame someone like Arum for some of this but everyone knows that Manny wants the fight and Floyd is apprehensive about it. The fight will happen when Floyd sees the right version of Manny and that means a decline in Manny. You put up a poll and ask "Who wants the fight more?". Manny would win the poll by a huge margin. Even objective Floyd fans agree that it's Floyd that is holding this up.


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[KnickTillDeaTh]

I already listed them.

Whats wrong with listing them again, Based on the things your posting im sure you've posted the same thing about Mayweather many times before. Give me the list because you obviously dont know what ducking is and im hardly sure you know what a cherry pick is. So to define: a cherry pick is when a fighter selects an opponent that has absolutely 0 chance to win, is very low ranked or not ranked at all, is completely outmatched and there is no upside to the fight as far as money or title or a title eliminator that results in a title fight, a fight after a long lay off, or a tune up for a major fight that is already known is the fighters next fight.

Now please give me your list. just the names.