Will any of these fighters retire undefeated?

[daggum]

Compared with the Money Team, Arum is a ****ing saint!

Seriously, Arum is a clean honest guy compared with TMT.

MOST of the work at TMT, the "hard work and dedication" Floyd talks about, isn't his training. It's...

- Figuring out how to dodge tough fights, pass the blame and save face
- Figuring out how to get out of a tough fight he got himself into, pass the blame, save face.
- Generating smear campaigns against potential tough fighters.
- Scoping the landscape for perceived tough fights that analysis reveals Floyd could actually beat
- Scoping the landscape for tough fighters that Floyd should avoid.
- A major taskforce dedicated specifically for ducking Pac.

Floyd's actual training and "normal" promotion plays only a very minor role

floyd said it himself "its working smarter, not harder" fighting pac would definitely be hard. fighting maidana twice with pillow gloves is a lot smarter.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Compared with the Money Team, Arum is a ****ing saint!

Seriously, Arum is a clean honest guy compared with TMT.

MOST of the work at TMT, the "hard work and dedication" Floyd talks about, isn't his training. It's...

- Figuring out how to dodge tough fights, pass the blame and save face
- Figuring out how to get out of a tough fight he got himself into, pass the blame, save face.
- Generating smear campaigns against potential tough fighters.
- Scoping the landscape for perceived tough fights that analysis reveals Floyd could actually beat
- Scoping the landscape for tough fighters that Floyd should avoid.
- A major taskforce dedicated specifically for ducking Pac.

Floyd's actual training and "normal" promotion plays only a very minor role

Lol I'm dying laughing right now. You forgot to insert an Ellerbe **** joke though.

[Elroy1]

Pac ducking the better testing in the 1st round of legit negotiations is the greatest duck in sports history especially since he's looked sub par since the allegations. Roach confirmed they ducked lol.

You just exposed yourself and Floyd! You fool!

There is no doubt Pacquiao was on roids.

I say who gives a ****! It's 2014, they are ALL on roids, including Floyd!

Floyd was pressured into having to make the fight.
TMT knew they couldn't really beat Pac so had to hatch a plan.
TMT became privy to information that PAc would fail a certain drug test (key)
Floyd is able to then place the demand for his testing which he KNEW Pac would either fail or forced to decline, thus giving Floyd the excuse to pull out.

THIS^ is clearly a Floyd duck!

THIS^ Is the reality which EVERYBODY knows, but none of you ever quite get straight!

And what's more Pac has bounced back better than ever, Pac looks like he could steamroll Floyd right now.

It's Floyd who looked like crap in his last 2 outings.

I give Floyd no more than 25% chance to beat PAc now.

And prime for prime I cant see Floyd winning either!

[Elroy1]

floyd said it himself "its working smarter, not harder" fighting pac would definitely be hard. fighting maidana twice with pillow gloves is a lot smarter.

Yep, agreed in full!

And a major miscalculation from his moronic team!

After clearly ducking Pac, basically ADMITTING to ducking him on fb and only offering Khan or Maidana despite everyone pleading for Pac, ppl started to lean on Khan.

What did we get? Maidana!

Because he was perceived to be a weak opponent, good for Floyd.

And got touched up to his limit for his misreading, even with the pillow gloves!

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I doubt it

Who else has retired undefeated? Rocky Marciano, Joe Calzaghe and Ricardo Lopez. Edwin Valero never lost but he did not live very long either. Sven Ottke never officially lost but I'm sure he would have had the judges not been on his side.

Most fighters are going to lose at some point if they fight long enough. And most will fight long enough. Mayweather might make it but I wouldn't be surprised if he officially loses his last fight. I think he already lost unofficially to Castillo and Maidana(especially the first fight).

With most of them, it is very early. They all will probably suffer a loss at one time or another. And it's not a big deal. Of the undefeated retirees I mentioned above, none of them get mentioned in top ten pound-for-pound lists. I think the reason is that there is one thing undefeated fighters have not proven- that they can come back from a loss. This is very significant since some fighters never seem to get over the first loss.

The fighters you named look great now but time is never very kind to any fighter. They will most likely go on past the point they should have and lose if not before when they just meet somebody better or who had a better night. Don't hold undefeated in that high a regard. It does not mean a whole lot really- just in this modern era. In the old days, no one cared.

[STEELHEAD]

" Will any of these fighters retire undefeated?"

i hope not. most of these guys are way..... too carefully matched up.
i wish they'd step up to the plate more often. but its about money. one bad matchup could mean a loss of future millions$.
its not like it use to be.

[jsmith_tsu]

Ward hasn't lost since he was 12 years old. I give the Raiders a better chance of winning a game this year than I do at giving any fighter a chance at beating Andre Ward.

Leave the Raiders out of this please. Has nothing to do with boxing and its not Sun.

U r depressing me bro.

[big_james10]

Do you guys think any of these fighters will retire Undefeated. If Any, Why?
I bolded the ones that I think will retire undefeated.

Andre Ward
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Danny Garcia
Gennady Golovkin
Terrence Crawford
Mikey Garcia
Roman Gonzalez
Nicholas Walters
Deontay Wilder
Sergey Kovalev
Anthony Joshua
Tyson Fury
Naoya Inoue
Floyd Mayweather


Ward because he is so dominant and no one has been able to find any possible way to beat him. Darnell Boone came the closest but most likely Ward has corrected any mistakes he made since then. Rigondeaux because he is just a master. His chin is questionable but when he gets dropped, he gets right back up and doesn't look staggered or like he is on bambi legs. He never loses his feet. Inoue, Because from what I have seen in his fights, he has shown tons of talent, he gets hit, but he just goes in there and just knows how to beat anyone placed in front of him. Then there is Floyd Mayweather. There really is no one out there that can beat him. Maybe Gennady Golovkin at 154 but that is about it. I think Floyds speed may be too much for GGG to handle, but GGG has the power to give Floyd that 1. Floyd is going to coast his way to 49 or 50 wins if he wants 50. I am very disappointed in Floyd right now, but I keep it real and I don't see anyone out there beating him. I don't think Hopkins would go down to 160 to fight him. I think Hopkins wants to go out on top and fight Stevenson. Hopkins would win that. But lets put all that aside because that is another topic. Anyhow, Mayweather will take the Easy Route to 49 or 50 Wins. It is unfortunate but that's probably how it is going to be.

Pacquaio will retire undefeated because all the geniuses on this message board know -- and have stated it numerous times -- that none of his losses, including three one punch knockouts, were legitimate. We all know that Pac won't fight Maidana or Alvarez because neither one of them is old and washed up like the previous opponents of Mayweather that Pac has fought so he won't lose to them and he will retire undefeated by a legitimate opponent.

As you stated, Mayweather will coast to 50 wins undefeated because he won't fight any legitimate opponents. The three world champions he beat at 154, the four world champions he beat at 147 and the former world champion he beat at 147, as well as the world champions he beat at 140, 135 and 130 and the Mexican he beat prior to that same guy KTFO of Pacquaio were not legitimate victories.

When I think about it, I can understand why you and the other geniuses on this site hate Mayweather so much, considering that real champions like GGG, Kovalev and Garcia are beating the hell out of the best competition in their weight class every time they fight.

[Bigg Rigg]

Ward is already retired and undefeated. Lol he shouldn't be on the list

[-Kev-]

Andre Ward - He can only beat himself.

Guillermo Rigondeaux - Age can beat him. But as of right now, he can't be beat.

Danny Garcia - He seems beatable, but he has underrated defense and good power. He won't be easy work for anyone.

Gennady Golovkin - Can't know until he fights a very good fighter. No such thing exists at MW.

Terrence Crawford - He doesn't look very beatable TBH. I can see him going up to 154 undefeated. He's very good. He will capture titles in at least 3 weight classes and I can see him being the man to beat one day.

Mikey Garcia - Another good fighter, but his chin and heart is suspect. His chin: He's been down twice in a row, his last two fights to be exact. His heart: It looked like he went the easy route against Salido. Crawford beats him at 135, Pac beats him at 140. Gamboa has been thrown under the bus by fans, but I can still seeing him beating Garcia.

Roman Gonzalez - The opponents available for him don't look all that good. But most of you guys think his opposition is out of this world. I have no opinion of him.

Nicholas Walters - I would like to see more of him but annihilating Darchinyan and Donaire the way he did is a very good start. Would love to see him vs Lomachenko, Russell Jr, and at 130 vs Salido, Garcia, Gamboa.

Sergey Kovalev - Off to a great start as well. I thought Sillakh and Hopkins would outbox him, he proved me wrong. Add Cleverly and Campillo in there, he's doing great. I think Ward and Dirrell both beat him but he's proved me wrong twice already.

Tyson Fury - Yes, very beatable. He'll lose soon. Good pre-fight character though, I hope he sticks around after he loses.

Floyd Mayweather - 38 years old and still hasn't lost. Like Ward, he can only beat himself. If he fights too long, he will lose. He should call it a day after 2015.

Wilder and Joshua - Too early to tell.