Will any of these fighters retire undefeated?

[Fists_of_Fury]

Do you get this upset when someone only cheers for Mexicans or only Russians. Hilarious when people care if a guy on here roots for mostly black fighters. 99% of American fighters are black. But if we root for fellow Americans we racist doe

I hate all bias by country asshats along with racist piece of ****s of any ethnicity Hanz. I support all ethnicities if you look at my post history. I support guys from Mayweather to Cotto to Kovalev to Marquez etc... I don't support guys like Algieri just because he's of my own "fam" (caucasian) and from my country USA. Even if I dislike a fighter I don't pick against him because I'd rather pick the logical choice to me. Not like the support your kind motto type of worthless people... but he gave me a free phone lol.

[Elroy1]

I judge guys on what they do in the ring. By your standards we shouldn support lots of fighters now and plenty of atgs. Lots of scum by normal civilian standards. I'm not gonna root for a guy cause he's a nice family man and hate another cause he's been to jail

Yeah well that's just it, I have had kind words for Floyd in the past, but I can't support a guy who brings this entire sport down with him.

How can I judge him for what happens in the ring if the bastard wont even get into one with the one he's supposed to!

[Fists_of_Fury]

Yeah well that's just it, I have had kind words for Floyd in the past, but I can't support a guy who brings this entire sport down with him.

How can I judge him for what happens in the ring if the bastard wont even get into one with the one he's supposed to!

How many Top Rank fighters have fought on Showtime since Floyd went to SHO? How many Haymon managed fighters has a Top Rank fighter fought that wasn't purse bid? Haymon and Arum seem to not do business. How many times has Arum let fights in his own stable "marinate?" Hell how many SHO exclusive fighters fought on HBO and vise versa while under contract? Jessie Vargas and 140lb division is not trying to fight the best quality opponents but then again Rios and Algieri lol. Floyd duckin doe.

[Elroy1]

How many Top Rank fighters have fought on Showtime since Floyd went to SHO? How many Haymon managed fighters has a Top Rank fighter fought that wasn't purse bid? Haymon and Arum seem to not do business. How many times has Arum let fights in his own stable "marinate?" Hell how many SHO exclusive fighters fought on HBO and vise versa while under contract? Jessie Vargas and 140lb division is not trying to fight the best quality opponents but then again Rios and Algieri lol. Floyd duckin doe.

I dunno what the hell kind of mumbo jumbo you guys spin around here. It's crazy.

It's straight up simple.

Arum wants to fight.
Roach wants to fight.
Pacquiao wants to fight.
Millions of fans around the world want the fight.

Floyd and TMT... They don't want to fight, not under ANY circumstances.

Floyd duckin, FACT!

In my opinion, Floyd should be stripped of his titles, and they should simply be given to Pac!

That's the only fair way.

[daggum]

How many Top Rank fighters have fought on Showtime since Floyd went to SHO? How many Haymon managed fighters has a Top Rank fighter fought that wasn't purse bid? Haymon and Arum seem to not do business. How many times has Arum let fights in his own stable "marinate?" Hell how many SHO exclusive fighters fought on HBO and vise versa while under contract? Jessie Vargas and 140lb division is not trying to fight the best quality opponents but then again Rios and Algieri lol. Floyd duckin doe.

top rank is working with golden boy and all other promoters. is al haymon the manager? no. yet you still try to blame top rank for the fight not happening. unbelievable. you do realize that makes no sense right? haymon the manager wouldn't even make quillin-korobov you think he wants floyd to lose to pac if he's not even willing to lose quillin? haymon won't work with top rank therefore top rank is at fault....okkkkk
enjoy nbc boxing. i'm sure you will love seeing the same 3 guys in every division fighting each other and pretending to be the best by calling out guys they know they can never fight because their manager blocks the fights.

[Elroy1]

top rank is working with golden boy and all other promoters. is al haymon the manager? no. yet you still try to blame top rank for the fight not happening. unbelievable. you do realize that makes no sense right? haymon the manager wouldn't even make quillin-korobov you think he wants floyd to lose to pac if he's not even willing to lose quillin? haymon won't work with top rank therefore top rank is at fault....okkkkk

It's the same old BS they all try to throw.

Faced with the most shameful and obvious and blatant duck in the 100's of years of history of the sport and the only recourse is to cook up some out of this world story, which doesn't make any sense to any reasonable person, to put the blame back on the guy (or his team) for being ducked.

It's moronic!

Sometimes it's Pac's fault.
Sometimes it's Arum's fault etc etc etc..

And occasionally, sheepishly I've heard "Well it's HALF Pac's fault"

NONE of it is Pac's fault.

Pac would not even know HOW to duck anybody or care for any of this ****!

[Fists_of_Fury]

top rank is working with golden boy and all other promoters. is al haymon the manager? no. yet you still try to blame top rank for the fight not happening. unbelievable. you do realize that makes no sense right? haymon the manager wouldn't even make quillin-korobov you think he wants floyd to lose to pac if he's not even willing to lose quillin? haymon won't work with top rank therefore top rank is at fault....okkkkk
enjoy nbc boxing. i'm sure you will love seeing the same 3 guys in every division fighting each other and pretending to be the best by calling out guys they know they can never fight because their manager blocks the fights.

Top Rank has been known to not want to match their own fighters against each other like Gamboa vs Lopez. Arum straight up said that he was the hold up to Chavez vs Martinez. Arum and Haymon mutually don't work together... it's a two way street. Haymon has delivered the same as Arum... a few good fights followed by ****! I hate Arum and Haymon but Arum more since I know for a fact he ****s his fighters over badly. Salka vs Garcia was the worst normal network fight but Pac vs Rio and Algieri on PPV takes the **** cake.

[Fists_of_Fury]

It's the same old BS they all try to throw.

Faced with the most shameful and obvious and blatant duck in the 100's of years of history of the sport and the only recourse is to cook up some out of this world story, which doesn't make any sense to any reasonable person, to put the blame back on the guy (or his team) for being ducked.

It's moronic!

Sometimes it's Pac's fault.
Sometimes it's Arum's fault etc etc etc..

And occasionally, sheepishly I've heard "Well it's HALF Pac's fault"

NONE of it is Pac's fault.

Pac would not even know HOW to duck anybody or care for any of this ****!

Pac ducking the better testing in the 1st round of legit negotiations is the greatest duck in sports history especially since he's looked sub par since the allegations. Roach confirmed they ducked lol.

[Elroy1]

Top Rank has been known to not want to match their own fighters against each other like Gamboa vs Lopez. Arum straight up said that he was the hold up to Chavez vs Martinez. Arum and Haymon mutually don't work together... it's a two way street. Haymon has delivered the same as Arum... a few good fights followed by ****! I hate Arum and Haymon but Arum more since I know for a fact he ****s his fighters over badly. Salka vs Garcia was the worst normal network fight but Pac vs Rio and Algieri on PPV takes the **** cake.

Compared with the Money Team, Arum is a ****ing saint!

Seriously, Arum is a clean honest guy compared with TMT.

MOST of the work at TMT, the "hard work and dedication" Floyd talks about, isn't his training. It's...

- Figuring out how to dodge tough fights, pass the blame and save face
- Figuring out how to get out of a tough fight he got himself into, pass the blame, save face.
- Generating smear campaigns against potential tough fighters.
- Scoping the landscape for perceived tough fights that analysis reveals Floyd could actually beat
- Scoping the landscape for tough fighters that Floyd should avoid.
- A major taskforce dedicated specifically for ducking Pac.

Floyd's actual training and "normal" promotion plays only a very minor role

[daggum]

Top Rank has been known to not want to match their own fighters against each other like Gamboa vs Lopez. Arum straight up said that he was the hold up to Chavez vs Martinez. Arum and Haymon mutually don't work together... it's a two way street. Haymon has delivered the same as Arum... a few good fights followed by ****! I hate Arum and Haymon but Arum more since I know for a fact he ****s his fighters over badly. Salka vs Garcia was the worst normal network fight but Pac vs Rio and Algieri on PPV takes the **** cake.

i've heard the exact opposite thing said over and over again. i've heard top rank only does in house fights for years and years now its the opposite? hmmm ok.

no its not. arum wanted to do korobov-quillin and haymon killed the fight. you seem to forget that haymon is a manager and not a promoter. top rank works with all promoters. haymon blocks fights from happening so you can't really work with haymon. enjoy nbc boxing is all you can do i guess.