Manny Pacquiao is Undeniably The Greatest Fighter of Our Era

[lefthook2daliva]

The op didn't define the length of the era, so I think he is within it. He won the heavyweight championship in 2003 and then beat tarver within 9 months of that accomplishment. To me that kills anything Floyd and PAC have done, particularly Floyd. Add to that beating a 44 0 James toney in a major ass whooping and you have the best guy of the last 20 years.

Ok...well if we're including RJJr as part of this era...not sure if I agree, but will not reject the idea out of hand. Roy was pretty ****ing badass.

[B-Bomber]

You forgot the weights , what is wrong with you guys , Oscar weighed 145 lbs on the night Manny was bigger than him weighing 147 , Oscar was forced to take IV fluid infusions to gain 2 pounds because his body had shutdown and would not take on fluids , it had nothing to with Oscar was passed it , he was ruined before the bell sounded , Steve Forbes would have stopped Oscar that night .
As a comparison the Oscar Floyd beat weighed 164 pounds and Floyd weighed 150 , think about that for a minute , the name might be the same but the fighter was a world apart in those 2 fights .

Why do you guys continually ignore the conditions of these fights , it is just so fanboy to only look at the bash , if a guy stepped into the ring with an arm tied behind his back you would say " hey thats not fair " but when its weights and matchmaking you cant see it when the proof is right in front of your face .

This forum is a fanboy surface dwellers forum , only a very small % of posters actually understand boxing at a deeper level .

You forgot weight as well: before fighting DLH at WW Pacquiao had never fought at 147 or at 140.
He only had one fight at lightweight, while Oscar was coming back down from 154.

It's as if Mayweather was to fight Miura at 147 and drain himself, there is really no excuse there.

Besides, at the time DLH was the "A- side", he decided who to fight and at what weight, he wanted to come in light in order be faster. It didn't work, his own fault entirely.


Ps: After the fight, De La Hoya walked over to Pacquiao's corner and told trainer Freddie Roach, "You're right Freddie. I don't have it anymore." ( source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...ticle-1.356011 )

[Reloaded]

You forgot weight as well: before fighting DLH at WW Pacquiao had never fought at 147 or at 140.
He only had one fight at lightweight, while Oscar was coming back down from 154.

It's as if Mayweather was to fight Miura at 147 and drain himself, there is really no excuse there.

Besides, at the time DLH was the "A- side", he decided who to fight and at what weight, he wanted to come in light in order be faster. It didn't work, his own fault entirely.


Ps: After the fight, De La Hoya walked over to Pacquiao's corner and told trainer Freddie Roach, "You're right Freddie. I don't have it anymore." ( source: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...ticle-1.356011 )

What are you on about , when Manny was fighting as a LW , he was between 144 and 147 on fight night , the same as he was when fighting as a WW .

Understand that weighin weight is what changes a lot , fight night weight changes very little , this dragged up 2 weight classes is all BS .
Like I keep saying you guys are into the hype with the numbers you dont really understand how they work , thats why you cant see what has gone on in the matchmaking .

Oscar weight 145 on the night , 2lb lighter than Manny , get that through you head , when Roach found out about the IV fluids he said it wont go 3 rounds .

Look at fight night weights

[Rahat]

hes not the greatest fighter of our era but he is an ATG in my opinion hes a true fighter fights anyone dosent give a **** unlike mayweather who is probz more skilled then pacman but is a *****

[B-Bomber]

What are you on about , when Manny was fighting as a LW , he was between 144 and 147 on fight night , the same as he was when fighting as a WW .

Understand that weighin weight is what changes a lot , fight night weight changes very little , this dragged up 2 weight classes is all BS .
Like I keep saying you guys are into the hype with the numbers you dont really understand how they work , thats why you cant see what has gone on in the matchmaking .

Oscar weight 145 on the night , 2lb lighter than Manny , get that through you head , when Roach found out about the IV fluids he said it wont go 3 rounds .

Matchmaking for the DLH fight??? . Are you high?.

As I previously stated, De la Hoya chose to fight Pacquiao , not the other way round. After the fight De la Hoya himself stated that he didn't have it anymore , yet you keep on ranting about weight as if I was saying that Pac had beaten up a prime DLH.


In any case, in my first post (to which you replied, calling me a fanboy) I was actually saying that Manny's run at WW and above is not as good as his previous, with particular reference to Mosley, who was 2-2-1 before fighting Manny.


Your argument about weight is however irrelevant, DLH had campagned at MW prior to that and was obviously the bigger man, coming in low was his decision. Did it affect him? sure, but he has nobody to blame but himself and his team.

[Nay_Sayer]

You forgot the weights , what is wrong with you guys , Oscar weighed 145 lbs on the night Manny was bigger than him weighing 147 , Oscar was forced to take IV fluid infusions to gain 2 pounds because his body had shutdown and would not take on fluids , it had nothing to with Oscar was passed it , he was ruined before the bell sounded , Steve Forbes would have stopped Oscar that night .
As a comparison the Oscar Floyd beat weighed 164 pounds and Floyd weighed 150 , think about that for a minute , the name might be the same but the fighter was a world apart in those 2 fights .

Why do you guys continually ignore the conditions of these fights , it is just so fanboy to only look at the bash , if a guy stepped into the ring with an arm tied behind his back you would say " hey thats not fair " but when its weights and matchmaking you cant see it when the proof is right in front of your face .

This forum is a fanboy surface dwellers forum , only a very small % of posters actually understand boxing at a deeper level .

^This right here...

[jas]

u should ask roger mayweather the same question because according to him, pac is on a-side meth and he saw ak-47 bullets bouncing off they azz during the vietnam war.

[ADP02]

What are you on about , when Manny was fighting as a LW , he was between 144 and 147 on fight night , the same as he was when fighting as a WW .

Understand that weighin weight is what changes a lot , fight night weight changes very little , this dragged up 2 weight classes is all BS .
Like I keep saying you guys are into the hype with the numbers you dont really understand how they work , thats why you cant see what has gone on in the matchmaking .

Oscar weight 145 on the night , 2lb lighter than Manny , get that through you head , when Roach found out about the IV fluids he said it wont go 3 rounds .

Look at fight night weights

Like Manny/Roach new that Oscar's strategy was to come in light to gain extra speed? No way!

Oscar could have come in on fight night weighing in the 150s even 160s but decided that coming in light and fast was a better strategy. Oscar was wrong but for you to call it matchmaking is a joke. Even Floyd's team thought that Oscar was going to be wiping the floor with Manny.

"A joke." - Roger Mayweather


Oscar held all the cards in that one. Manny/Roach had to say yes, yes, yes to whatever Oscar wanted ..... yet you making it sound like its the other way around!

[The Big Dunn]

Yawwwwwwn. Boring thread. Check my sig, ring magazine historians and journalists debated this and determined it was the guy at #12.

[MrTambourineMan]

Yawwwwwwn. Boring thread. Check my sig, ring magazine historians and journalists debated this and determined it was the guy at #12.

The truly sad thing is that you would go to the grave repeating this as a Mantra.