Manny Pacquiao is Undeniably The Greatest Fighter of Our Era

[Kagami Taiga]

Lol funny discussion thread. Manny is a great fighter no doubt about it. Whether he's the greatest of this era is debatable though. His competition since the Cotto fight has been on the decline with the exception of Bradley and the Marquez fights (one if which he lost and the other he really didn't deserve to win).

[T18Z]

I will try to have an honest conversation with you on this. Remember a resume is wins and losses against the opposition you fought.

Barrera-great win. Prior to KOing Hamed, many thought Barrera was on the downside. He resurrected his career with this win. He was a top 5 p4p fighter when Manny beat him. Same as corrales, SHane and Hatton were when Floyd beat them. So while its a great win, there are wins that Floyd had that are comparable.

Morales-over rated win that voters likely didn't give as much emphasis as Manny fans like you. Manny lost to erik and beat him AFTER he was thoroughly outclassed by Raheem. Clearly, Morales is not the same after the Raheem loss. Manny never fought Zahir. Floyd, in a similar situation (contract signed, opponent upset)with baldo and zab fights both guys and wins both. The Morales manny beat isn't the prime Morales to most objective, unbiased people.

JMM-Manny has a draw in the 1st fight after having a 3kd 1sr round. Close win. Close win that the majority of writers/journalists (including some that voted in ring poll) thought he lost. Floyd thoroughly outclassed JMM. The voters are not going to factor in the ******ed NSB "he cheated him on scales, etc." stuff you guys use.

The crap that goes on inside NSB doesn't happen outside. Is it possible for you to see how the voting went as it did?

Comparing Barrera to Mosley? After Pacquaio first destroyed Barrera he went on to go undeafeated for 3 years over 6 fights, including Morales. Nothing on Floyds resume compares to the Barrera win, including fighting Hatton at a weight he clearly didn't show success at (147).

How can you go on to state on and on about how the first Marquez fight was close, and that by a very small margin more thought Marquez won, and then go on to say it's ****** to include the fact that Mayweather made Marquez move up 3 weight classes and came in overweight on the scales, like that isn't some big issue? Your bias is showing heavily if you choose to ignore it. How a fight is won and it's context beforehand matters. Also, if you're going on to say about how Marquez got outclassed by Floyd, shall I remind you what happened to Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto? Pacquaio beat all of them better than Mayweather by far. Does this count?

The only common opponent Mayweather beat better than Pacquaio beat is Marquez, and the context surrounding that win is ridiculous. Moving up 3 weight classes in one fight AND being cheated on the scales is unheard of.

[hectari]

Yes I agree, I think you are describing The Big Dunn. The Big Dunn was not impressed with Rios as a opponent for Pac, after Pac was ko'ed by JMM. Yet BH was mightily impressed.
Can you remember who Duran fought after he got ko'ed by Hearns?
Manuel Zambrano. True, not a name that is easily memorable is it.? Yet they think they can criticise Rios who has had about 35 fights and lost once with 23 kos.

This guy bkwarriors is known as the king flowmo, listen to his views here he even has a video saying he pretends to be unbiased at work and smile to the white man but hates him. has the same mentality of Big Dunn and the last remaining flowmos who defend Floyd, they are race driven many are black hebrew isrealite who hate whites and non blacks.

[T18Z]

Anway, here's some good info surrounding Pacquaios wins and his career, read this and understand he's more accomplished than Mayweather.

You sound so ******. Someone told you or you read somewhere that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of catchweight fights so you repeat it. You also must***8217;ve been told that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of guys coming off of losses. So you repeat that too. Because I don't repeat a bunch of lies that have been told on this man I'm infatuated with him. You are a complete idiot my friend. Only an idiot would repeat a lie as the truth and try to put someone down with it.

Let me explain something to you. I am a Manny fan. The reason being is because of how hard he had it. The first time I saw Manny fight was over 10 years ago and I saw a supreme talent. In about 2009 I saw all of his accomplishments come into question and I researched a few things. This may surprise you.In my research I found out that Pacquiao is the only 3 division champion in the history of boxing that was the underdog in his first 3 title tries. You may not realize the implications of that statement but let me spell it out for you. In boxing terms that is unheard of. Manny Pacquaio was being FED. Think about this, Adrien Broner just won his 3rd title. He was of similar age to Manny for each of his titles. He was the overwhelming favorite in ALL of his title tries.

Manny fought Chatchai Sasakul who was 33-1 when Manny fought him. Manny was just 19 years old. Sasakul was the deal. So good in fact he gave Yuri Arbachakov his only career loss. Some consider Arbachakov the BEST flyweight of the 90***8217;s. That***8217;s how good he was. The fight between Manny and Sasakul is on youtube. You can see Manny was over his head, he was just a gun and he persevered and scored a dramatic come from behind ko.*In his next title try he fought he fought Lehlo Ledwaba. Dude was a monster and considered to be the best fighter at 122. Manny was like a 6 to 1 underdog. He destroyed him. Manny was just 22 when he did that.

Then in his next title try he fights the 3rd best p4p fighter in the world in Marco Antonio Barerra and he beats him to a pulp. Now Manny is a 3 division champion at 24 years old and he was the underdog in all of his title tries. And he beat the best fighter in the division to win each of those titles.Then Manny takes on Juan Manuel Marquez to unify in his very next fight. The promoters didn***8217;t give him any stay busy show case fights***8230;***8230;.. He gets a draw.

Then he engages in his trilogy with Eric Morales. Morales was coming off of a 12 round majority decision loss in the fight of the year to Barrera. Pacquiao haters act like Morales was kod in 1 round and then fought Pacquiao. There was nothing wrong with that fight. Did I add it was at 130, Pacquiao was yet moving up again. Morales has just had big HBO fights with Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia recently but Pac gets flack for fighting him at 130lbs 8 years ago. Unbelievable.*He settles things with Morales, fights Barrera in a rematch and then goes for his 4th title vs an all time great in Marquez. So in 4 title tries the one time he is the favorite is against the best fighter he has faced. Next he fights David Diaz in his 5th title try a fight in which Pacquiao got criticized. But Diaz was33-1 and he had just beat Morales. It was Pacquiao***8217;s first fight at 135. Next he gets the Oscar call.

I am going to ask you why would Oscar want to make Manny look good. Manny made himself look good by fighting the perfect fight against a man that was 3 divisions bigger and 6 inches taller. He was being fed again, he just didn***8217;t cooperate.Next he goes for his 6th title try against Ricky Hatton. He almost kills Hatton. So let***8217;s keep track in 6 title tries he was the underdog 3x. He also fought the best fighter in the division 5 out of 6 times, the only time he didn***8217;t was against David Diaz. Next he fights Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs and destroys him. That***8217;s his 7th title and the 6th time he fought the best guy in the division for the title. Remember Floyd was just coming out of retirement at this time.

Despite what people try to say. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were all coming off of wins not losses. Oscar had just beat Steve Forbes, Hatton had just beat Paulie Malignaggi. In fact he stopped him in 2008 when Adrien Broner couldn***8217;t last month. And Cotto had just beat Michael Jennings and Joshua Clottey. So up until that point only Morales was coming off of a loss and he***8217;s the only fighter to beat Manny in that decade, go figure smart guy.

Next up we have Joshua Clottey who was coming off of a split decision loss. Some people say he beat Cotto but if those same people don***8217;t like Pacman they say Clottey was coming off of a loss. Mike Alvarado will be fighting Ruslan Provodnikov coming off of one of those same losses. There is nothing wrong with that.Then Pac fights Margarito at a ****** catchweight but I don***8217;t believe it benefited him. Margarito was never more than a BIG welter to me, so they let him come in at 150 and he rehydrated up to 165. He took away Pac***8217;s prime in that fight. Then Pac picked on a shot Shane Mosley. I have no problem admitting that.

Next he fights undefeated Tim Bradley sandwiched by two Marquez fights. Now he***8217;s fighting Brandon Rios coming off of a razor close loss in his comeback fight after being violently kod.What favors has this man been done? Seriously. I***8217;m telling you straight up there is no way I would let my fighters fight the kind of killers that Pacquiao has, multiple times, giving up that kind of experience,weight and height. The one guy who gave him trouble, they made him fight 4x***8230;. He was robbed against Bradley***8230;.. He gave up so much size to Margarito that he laid in bed for 3 days AFTER the fight.

I can go on and on.*Tell me another modern fighter that has had to go through that. And I only named the BIG fights and title wins. People like to repeat lies and nonsense about this guy. But the truth is he has had it harder than any fighter in recent history. You guys talk about catchweights but not so much anymore. I wonder why. I won***8217;t bring up Floyd because I am actually a big fan of his also. Yes guys, you can be a Pacman and Moneyman fan at the same time. But Floyd hasn***8217;t had it nearly as rough as PAcquiao, especially coming up.

But let***8217;s get back to catchweights. Pacquiao asked for 2 catchweights, Cotto and Margarito. Marquez asked for two also. Both times 144 against Pacquiao and Mayweather and no one speaks a word about it. Cotto who was supposedly opposed to catchweights, asked for one against Margarito. Somebody hit up Margarito***8217;s trainer on twitter and he will tell you the deal. They settled at an asinine 153 but because Margarito was a cheater nobody cared.Paul Williams fought Sergio Martinez at 157 and no one spoke a word about it. The great Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright at 170lbs and we don***8217;t talk about it. Now the best fighter in the world is fighting Saul Alvarez at 152lbs but yet Manny PAcquiao is the Catchweight King. I only named recent big fights. Go figure again***8230;. #TRUTH

I am a fan of Manny***8217;s but I am more of a TRUTH ADVOCATE. The guy gets a bad rap but no one can give me a valid reason why. What special tailor made fighters that Manny has benefited from? He has fought the for the most part the best available guys, of all colors, styles, height and weights. I***8217;m curious to know about this special matchmaking. Before Manny and Floyd had their public feud nobody talked bad about him. All I***8217;m saying is have your own mind. Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up"

[Reloaded]

Anway, here's some good info surrounding Pacquaios wins and his career, read this and understand he's more accomplished than Mayweather.

This says he isnt !

[junior gong]

This says he isnt !

This shows you how to count to ten.

[Showtime..]

This says he isnt !

Floyd's best career win right?

[Jab-Slip-Troll]

This says he isnt !

pssssshhhhht....



AND WE ALL KNOW WHO RANKS HIGHER BETWEEN ALI, FRAZIER, AND FOREMAN.... DAFUQ OUTA HERE RELOADED.

u just mad that in 2014 the TMT has shown more STEROID ABUSE than Pac has in 10 years. u just mad that any other boxer would have retired after suffering such a nasty KO (FLOYD AND JUAN WOULD RETIRE).

now just stfu and watch the greatest comeback in the history of boxing. "peeleft:

[boxinggod101]

Floyd's best career win right?

No need to answer this guy. Hes a male groupie. Thats his best argument. Almost all the greats has been kod and it doesn't change their place in history. Wether Floyd or Manny is the greatest is to each his own but this dude is a real clown

[The Big Dunn]

Comparing Barrera to Mosley? After Pacquaio first destroyed Barrera he went on to go undeafeated for 3 years over 6 fights, including Morales. Nothing on Floyds resume compares to the Barrera win, including fighting Hatton at a weight he clearly didn't show success at (147).

How can you go on to state on and on about how the first Marquez fight was close, and that by a very small margin more thought Marquez won, and then go on to say it's ****** to include the fact that Mayweather made Marquez move up 3 weight classes and came in overweight on the scales, like that isn't some big issue? Your bias is showing heavily if you choose to ignore it. How a fight is won and it's context beforehand matters. Also, if you're going on to say about how Marquez got outclassed by Floyd, shall I remind you what happened to Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto? Pacquaio beat all of them better than Mayweather by far. Does this count?

The only common opponent Mayweather beat better than Pacquaio beat is Marquez, and the context surrounding that win is ridiculous. Moving up 3 weight classes in one fight AND being cheated on the scales is unheard of.

Dude its not me being biased. I was just offering ideas as to why the voters voted the way they did.

Beating them better is a ridiculous point. You prefer ko's. That may not be as dominant a win as say a 12 round shutout.

The things you posted are all NSB manny fan arguments that can't be made outside of this forum if you expect to be taken seriously. It's cool that you like manny and are more excited when he wins. It's a whole different thing to be asked your opinion in a mag/website rankings that want to be respected and deemed credible.

You don't have to agree with the rankings. At least when you rank use some credible variables and apply them equally.

If manny doesn't end up on top it should be ok if you like boxing more than you like manny. Wouldn't you agree?