Comments Thread For: Joe Calzaghe: Hopkins in a Dangerous, Difficult Fight

**JACK1190** · 11-01-2014, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by Lou Cipher

Joke Alzaghe should just shut his cowardly ******* and pecker smoking sewer hole. Nobody wants to hear anything from a guy who picked the bones of a few ex-big name corpses then "retired" when the going got tough so he could have a Maynever like "undefeated" crutch to live off of. Piss off, Joke.

Coming from a guy that says Mayweather is 44-3. Please shut up.

**Foreign Soil** · 11-01-2014, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by jas

So how did one judge score for shumenov on US soil?

I'll wait....

There's always 1 judge, like that 1 judge in the Dawson fight who scored it a draw. If Hopkins did as good as yall think then he would've had 2 judges scoring wide. The best he could get was an even card in rounds vs Zaghe.

**Mike D** · 11-01-2014, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by jas

So how did one judge score for shumenov on US soil?

I'll wait....

Wait a minute...now I was drinking (heavily if I recall correctly) the night of the Hopkins/Shumenov fight, so I forgot what the cards were. I just remember that Hopkins won, and remember him winning it in a landslide. You mean to tell me that a judge had it for Shumenov that night?

lmaoooooooo

**Foreign Soil** · 11-01-2014, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by daggum

no i'm not. watch the calzaghe deception on youtube if you want to see for yourself. it happened over and over but you just thought calzaghe was landing when it was actually hopkins landing. there were many times when the announcers or crowd thought calzaghe landed simply because he was throwing when it was hopkins catching calzaghe with sneaky punches. being able to stand there and make your opponent hit air or shoulders with 4 or 5 punches then catch him completely flush is much harder than simply coming forward and throwing punches that don't land. it should also be rewarded much more when it comes to scoring.

calzaghe was the a-side in that fight and the crowd was overwhelmingly pro calzaghe so its no surprise he won a decision. calzaghe-jones was also set as long as calzaghe won so there was money to be made. the judges just got it wrong for whatever reason. maybe it was corruption, maybe they were just fooled by the crowd and incompetent. we know what really happened and calzaghe was outboxed quite easily for most of the fight. well most of us know.

That's straight nonsense and you know it. It was a chess match with hardly anything happening from either guy. The idea that anybody got schooled, outclassed or outboxed in that fight is sole fabrication.

**NorvernRob** · 11-01-2014, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Ravens Fan

I actually remember quite the opposite. It was Joe's detractors that claimed that he was in over his head against Lacy.

It wasn't just Joe's detractors that thought Lacy would win, the vast majority of fans and people inside the sport thought he would. A few predicted a close decision win for Joe, but nobody thought he would beat Lacy's ass from pillar to post in every round.

Just google 'Calzaghe Lacy predictions' and see what the opinions were back then.

BoxingScene Staff Predictions - Jeff Lacy vs. Joe Calzaghe

http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-jeff-lacy-vs-joe-calzaghe--3266

The biggest fight in the super middleweight division since Roy Jones Jr. met James Toney in 1994, is taking place on Saturday in the MEN Arena in Manchester, England. It is very rare in today's boxing world, to see two undefeated champions clashing to settle the issue of who is the best fighter in their weight class. The IBF super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy (21-0, 17 KOs), of St. Petersburg, Fla., will make the fifth defense of his title against Joe Calzaghe (40-0, 31 KOs), of Newbridge, Wales, by way of Hammersmith, England, who is making the 18th defense of his WBO super middleweight title. While most view this fight as the signature bout that makes Lacy a superstar in the sport, others feel Calzaghe is not going away quietly. Most American fans don't know much about Calzaghe, and a few facts should be known. Calzaghe won his title on Oct. 11, 1997, and defended it 17 times - which makes him the longest reigning champion in boxing. Another fact is that Calzaghe has not lost a bout since starting his amateur career at age 13. The guy can hit, brawl and has shown a decent chin. Calzaghe is better than most think, and the fight should be explosive as both men predict a knockout. The staff of BoxingScene comes together to voice their opinions, predictions and analysis on the big fight. Hank Kaplan - Calzaghe is a smart fighter in the ring, but I think Lacy is too much for him. I like Lacy in this fight. I think Lacy should stop him. Tim Smith - This is the toughest fight in the career of either man, but I like Lacy because of his strength and power. I like Lacy by decision.

It's easy to look back now and say Lacy was over-rated. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Maybe Calzaghe was and still is criminally under-rated and what he did to Lacy that night made sure he was never the same again.

I'll leave the last word to Joe:

Jeff Lacy was never the same fighter again. Calzaghe said: "Eight years I've been champion and I've been written off by a lot of people. This fight has been on my mind morning, noon and night. I demolished him and outclassed him. His punches didn't trouble me in the slightest. I was expecting more. I saw them coming from miles away. I knew I was going to win the fight. How's that for a slapper? Those slaps had his legs going all over the place."[11]

**IronDanHamza** · 11-01-2014, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by NorvernRob

It wasn't just Joe's detractors that thought Lacy would win, the vast majority of fans and people inside the sport thought he would. A few predicted a close decision win for Joe, but nobody thought he would beat Lacy's ass from pillar to post in every round.

Just google 'Calzaghe Lacy predictions' and see what the opinions were back then.

BoxingScene Staff Predictions - Jeff Lacy vs. Joe Calzaghe

http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-jeff-lacy-vs-joe-calzaghe--3266

The biggest fight in the super middleweight division since Roy Jones Jr. met James Toney in 1994, is taking place on Saturday in the MEN Arena in Manchester, England. It is very rare in today's boxing world, to see two undefeated champions clashing to settle the issue of who is the best fighter in their weight class. The IBF super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy (21-0, 17 KOs), of St. Petersburg, Fla., will make the fifth defense of his title against Joe Calzaghe (40-0, 31 KOs), of Newbridge, Wales, by way of Hammersmith, England, who is making the 18th defense of his WBO super middleweight title. While most view this fight as the signature bout that makes Lacy a superstar in the sport, others feel Calzaghe is not going away quietly. Most American fans don't know much about Calzaghe, and a few facts should be known. Calzaghe won his title on Oct. 11, 1997, and defended it 17 times - which makes him the longest reigning champion in boxing. Another fact is that Calzaghe has not lost a bout since starting his amateur career at age 13. The guy can hit, brawl and has shown a decent chin. Calzaghe is better than most think, and the fight should be explosive as both men predict a knockout. The staff of BoxingScene comes together to voice their opinions, predictions and analysis on the big fight. Hank Kaplan - Calzaghe is a smart fighter in the ring, but I think Lacy is too much for him. I like Lacy in this fight. I think Lacy should stop him. Tim Smith - This is the toughest fight in the career of either man, but I like Lacy because of his strength and power. I like Lacy by decision.

It's easy to look back now and say Lacy was over-rated. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Maybe Calzaghe was and still is criminally under-rated and what he did to Lacy that night made sure he was never the same again.

I'll leave the last word to Joe:

There's no maybe about it.

He was overrated and he was a bum who doesn't have a single good win in his career.

**jas** · 11-01-2014, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by Mike D

Wait a minute...now I was drinking (heavily if I recall correctly) the night of the Hopkins/Shumenov fight, so I forgot what the cards were. I just remember that Hopkins won, and remember him winning it in a landslide. You mean to tell me that a judge had it for Shumenov that night?

lmaoooooooo

quite possibly the greatest scorecard in history mike

**Mike D** · 11-01-2014, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by jas

quite possibly the greatest scorecard in history mike

Dude that is amazing. That makes me want to go back and watch that fight again. Didn't Shumenov damn near get shut out in that fight? What was your score card jas?

**Unseen** · 11-01-2014, 06:56 AM

Calzaghe taught Hopkin's to avoid fast guys with workrate and go for brawlers.

Dawson beat him easily. Boxers can, but brawlers or boxer fighters find it hard.

**Foreign Soil** · 11-01-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Mike D

Dude that is amazing. That makes me want to go back and watch that fight again. Didn't Shumenov damn near get shut out in that fight? What was your score card jas?

The judge who scored it for Shumenov was Panamanian, aka WBA headquarters. They didn't even try to hide it.

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