Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: Hopefully I'll Face Floyd Mayweather Next Year

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Ok lets clear one thing first because in some post I'm seeing stuff like pac is making small fighters move up in weight then now u're here saying 147 is too big and strong for manny, so which one is it? Has pac been fighting small guys or big guys? And PAC's only official lost was to marquez so I'm not sure why u're running with the 147 is too much for manny?

Don't tell me tell Roach, he's the one that said it.

Why does it seems like u only take the stuff from roach that can be use as a negative thing but the stuff from roach that can be see as a positive thing u call bs on it, why are u like that? I could of swore I saw u made some comments regarding a possible match up with pac and danny saying danny is yet another small fighter.

Firstly, I could say the same to you, but in reverse. I will explain how its much less understandble on your part. Roach has said a few things that could be used negatively against Pac and his team ie...first negotiations falling apart was their fault/Pac moving down to 140 because the guys are too big and strong, but you don't believe those things and make every excuse in the book as to why they are not valid. Yet if he say something positive, you are right there championing what he has to say. Now, why would Roach, who is on Pac's team say those things, if they weren't true?? Pac is his bread and butter and there is no reason to lie about them. Now the inverse. While I like Pac and root for him depending on who he's fighting, I wouldn't call myself a "supporter". So, I might be much more inclined than you to believe something negative and less inclined to believe positive. I try to be objective about things because I consider myself a boxing fan first, before a fan of Floyd, Rigo, Porter etc. I have no problem critisizing Floyd(catchweight, acting like a fool outside the ring, defending 2belts in a ww fight). So it could be expected for me to be somewhat bias against Pac/team. You however are a huge supporter, yet as soon as something is said that can be considered negative about Pac by Roach, you change your stance.

By the way, I don't think I commented on Pac/Garcia. The only thing I don't like about the fight is, if it's a cherry pick for Floyd(as some say), then call it the same for Pac.

Pac has been fighting guys bigger than floyd so again what are u talking about pac is not durable? lol! Like I said floyds punching power and mannys are completely different. Floyd might be able to do that to maidana but if manny ever fight maidana lets see if maidana will keep coming foward lol

Sorry bro, go back and check your facts. Floyd has fought many more bigger guys than Pac has. And again, talk to Roach. I really don't believe that there is ANY reason they are moving down other than what Roach said. There are no fights for Manny??? Khan was begging for the fight. Did Arum even bother making a call to see if the fight could get made? No, but he certainly was eager to get the Algieri fight made.

[Evol]

i remember when danny garcia just beat lucas and the floyd fans on here was saying danny would ice manny too. now that there's talk about a possible match up between these 2, manny is cherry picking? LOL.

[Evol]

Don't tell me tell Roach, he's the one that said it.



Firstly, I could say the same to you, but in reverse. I will explain how its much less understandble on your part. Roach has said a few things that could be used negatively against Pac and his team ie...first negotiations falling apart was their fault/Pac moving down to 140 because the guys are too big and strong, but you don't believe those things and make every excuse in the book as to why they are not valid. Yet if he say something positive, you are right there championing what he has to say. Now, why would Roach, who is on Pac's team say those things, if they weren't true?? Pac is his bread and butter and there is no reason to lie about them. Now the inverse. While I like Pac and root for him depending on who he's fighting, I wouldn't call myself a "supporter". So, I might be much more inclined than you to believe something negative and less inclined to believe positive. I try to be objective about things because I consider myself a boxing fan first, before a fan of Floyd, Rigo, Porter etc. I have no problem critisizing Floyd(catchweight, acting like a fool outside the ring, defending 2belts in a ww fight). So it could be expected for me to be somewhat bias against Pac/team. You however are a huge supporter, yet as soon as something is said that can be considered negative about Pac by Roach, you change your stance.

By the way, I don't think I commented on Pac/Garcia. The only thing I don't like about the fight is, if it's a cherry pick for Floyd(as some say), then call it the same for Pac.




Sorry bro, go back and check your facts. Floyd has fought many more bigger guys than Pac has. And again, talk to Roach. I really don't believe that there is ANY reason they are moving down other than what Roach said. There are no fights for Manny??? Khan was begging for the fight. Did Arum even bother making a call to see if the fight could get made? No, but he certainly was eager to get the Algieri fight made.

manny is fighting bigger guys and thats the reason why roach thinks manny hasnt score a ko. roach never said pac cant handle them or anything like what u're trying to make it out to be. they want manny to start knocking people out again because thats how they promoted manny as. they want to go down because they believe thats where manny's punching power will shine. look at the guys pac has been fighting at 147 once they get inside with manny they completely change up how they fight minus marquez, that should tell u all u need to know.

and regarding ur last sentence, u misunderstood what i said, i wasnt compreing floyd and pac to see who has fought the bigger guys, i was pointing out to u that pac has fought guys bigger than floyd, so floyd's size like u mention before is not gonna be a huge factor like u claim it will be, but since we're on this topic, im just curious who has floyd fought that was bigger than margarito?

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Sorry bro, go back and check your facts. Floyd has fought many more bigger guys than Pac has. And again, talk to Roach. I really don't believe that there is ANY reason they are moving down other than what Roach said. There are no fights for Manny??? Khan was begging for the fight. Did Arum even bother making a call to see if the fight could get made? No, but he certainly was eager to get the Algieri fight made.

“There’s a lot of competition in the 140-pound division, a lot of them are going to 147 because they want to fight Manny for the bigger money but as soon as Manny goes to 140 all of those will come back down,” said Roach.

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They are both getting to the end, so I expect that the fight will happen soon if Pac doesn't lose. I will still be here after fight night, ready to gloat, all I ask is that you be here and don't hide(I will do the same if Floyd loses). LOL!




I am talking about durability. Obviouly Roach thinks I'm right if he wants him to move down to 140. Where are the better fights, the bigger, harder punchers? Of course, 147, so why move to 140 where there are less attractive fights? Because they believe that the guy are too big and strong for Pac to continue to stand up to. Maidana because of the size difference can take getting countered time and time again and still keep coming without getting completely broken down. Pac will be the same weight or 1-3lbs smaller than Floyd when they fight. I just don't see that happening w/Pac. Once he starts getting countered over and over again, he is gonna get gun shy, just like Shane, Canelo, and many others. His punch output will go down and he will get out skilled. There are so many things that Floyd can do to win the fight....he just has more options than Pac does...but this is the most likely scenerio that I see. Only time will tell though.

"Once he starts getting countered over and over again, he is gonna get gun shy, just like Shane, Canelo, and many others. His punch output will go down and he will get out skilled"
is that a fact or speculation?
pac fighting vargas? fact or speculation.

if you keep arguing over speculation not hard facts- it's just unresolved arguments.

[luisivich]

Don't tell me tell Roach, he's the one that said it.



Firstly, I could say the same to you, but in reverse. I will explain how its much less understandble on your part. Roach has said a few things that could be used negatively against Pac and his team ie...first negotiations falling apart was their fault/Pac moving down to 140 because the guys are too big and strong, but you don't believe those things and make every excuse in the book as to why they are not valid. Yet if he say something positive, you are right there championing what he has to say. Now, why would Roach, who is on Pac's team say those things, if they weren't true?? Pac is his bread and butter and there is no reason to lie about them. Now the inverse. While I like Pac and root for him depending on who he's fighting, I wouldn't call myself a "supporter". So, I might be much more inclined than you to believe something negative and less inclined to believe positive. I try to be objective about things because I consider myself a boxing fan first, before a fan of Floyd, Rigo, Porter etc. I have no problem critisizing Floyd(catchweight, acting like a fool outside the ring, defending 2belts in a ww fight). So it could be expected for me to be somewhat bias against Pac/team. You however are a huge supporter, yet as soon as something is said that can be considered negative about Pac by Roach, you change your stance.

By the way, I don't think I commented on Pac/Garcia. The only thing I don't like about the fight is, if it's a cherry pick for Floyd(as some say), then call it the same for Pac.




Sorry bro, go back and check your facts. Floyd has fought many more bigger guys than Pac has. And again, talk to Roach. I really don't believe that there is ANY reason they are moving down other than what Roach said. There are no fights for Manny??? Khan was begging for the fight. Did Arum even bother making a call to see if the fight could get made? No, but he certainly was eager to get the Algieri fight made.

"Roach has said a few things that could be used negatively against Pac and his team ie...first negotiations falling apart was their fault"
again this is about the dontaenation interview- a channel that as dontae has said devoted in supporting black fighters not boxing in general.
roach has said "it's kind of our fault the fight hasn't happen" seems damaging for pac isn't it? what if we put it in the proper context of the interview. you must admit the above statement is an incomplete statement.
i'll give you two probable answer to complete that incomplete sentence
A.... because we dont actually want the fight
B....because when we move to 3 weeks cut off floyd decided to move away from the negotiation table. ITS OUR FAULT THAT WE HAVENT EXPECTED FLOYD TO BE A DIVA when we expected floyd to offer 2.5 weeks he just walk out.
later in the interview roach said that floyd dont want the fight now. i know its wrong to speculate but it is also probable that floyd isn't too sure of winning the fight so the first intances of getting off the negotiation he had took it. this is supported by why he said 3 weeks- 2 weeks- 1 week is off the table.
floyd has said he is tbe- i know it is a marketing ploy but it sure does entail that he should fight the best not those opponent who are 12:1 underdog.

what is wrong of pacquiao in fighting in 140- it is closer to his natural weight and its better than fighting jr welterweight at 147. another fun fact is all pacs opponent at 147(except marquez) outweigh him on fight night.

if you will say that floyd and pac are of the same weight then let floyd move down to 140 to get 3 divisions titles at the same time. pac can move down to 140 and get a title without putting down that 147 wbo title. if floyd can have 2 division title at 147, 154. pac could do 140-147. they can meet at 147 when they decided to fight.

[Vasyl’s dad]

"Manny needs to say he wants the floyd fight and then I'll believe him" - floyd fans.
Manny said he wants the fight and floyd fans say "he just wants money". Same Ole crap.

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[QUOTE=luisivich;15064555]"Roach has said a few things that could be used negatively against Pac and his team ie...first negotiations falling apart was their fault"
again this is about the dontaenation interview- a channel that as dontae has said devoted in supporting black fighters not boxing in general.

roach has said "it's kind of our fault the fight hasn't happen" seems damaging for pac isn't it? what if we put it in the proper context of the interview. you must admit the above statement is an incomplete statement.
i'll give you two probable answer to complete that incomplete sentence
A.... because we dont actually want the fight
B....because when we move to 3 weeks cut off floyd decided to move away from the negotiation table. ITS OUR FAULT THAT WE HAVENT EXPECTED FLOYD TO BE A DIVA when we expected floyd to offer 2.5 weeks he just walk out.

Come on now. The context is clear. He is saying that it was their fault that it didn't happen in 2010 period. Not to mention, that isn't what happend. They moved to 3 wks cuz they were caught lying and Floyd's team offered 2 weeks before arbitration. Floyd didn't walk away, Pac's team did. They make that clear themselves in the the articles that explained the fight was off.

later in the interview roach said that floyd dont want the fight now. i know its wrong to speculate but it is also probable that floyd isn't too sure of winning the fight so the first intances of getting off the negotiation he had took it. this is supported by why he said 3 weeks- 2 weeks- 1 week is off the table.

Not probable at all. Why would Floyd authorize GB to negotiate the DAY AFTER Pac beat Cotto if he was afraid of losing. That was Pac at his peak. He never took 3wks off the table. He never wanted ANY cut off, because there is really no reason for it, as Pac has proven since then. All the excuses that they gave were lies. So once Floyd came back and showed that he was the higher draw, he said there would be no more cutoff. Looking back now, I think we can all agree that he was right from the beginning and there should never have been talk of a "cutoff date".

floyd has said he is tbe- i know it is a marketing ploy but it sure does entail that he should fight the best not those opponent who are 12:1 underdog.

Go back and look at some of Alit, Joe Louis and SRR opponents. Some of them make Floyd's 12:1 make it look like Floyd was fighting SRL in his prime.

what is wrong of pacquiao in fighting in 140- it is closer to his natural weight and its better than fighting jr welterweight at 147. another fun fact is all pacs opponent at 147(except marquez) outweigh him on fight night.

Because the better fighters are at 147, that's what! You I know that if it were Floyd moving down to 140, he would be absolutely crusified and once again be accused of ducking the 147 division while it was red hot. Call a spad a spade.

if you will say that floyd and pac are of the same weight then let floyd move down to 140 to get 3 divisions titles at the same time. pac can move down to 140 and get a title without putting down that 147 wbo title. if floyd can have 2 division title at 147, 154. pac could do 140-147. they can meet at 147 when they decided to fight.

Why would he move down? He has been at WW for years and he is comfortable there, just like Pac is and has been.

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i remember when danny garcia just beat lucas and the floyd fans on here was saying danny would ice manny too. now that there's talk about a possible match up between these 2, manny is cherry picking? LOL.

I don't think I ever said that. But again, why would Floyd fighting him be a cherry pic, but Manny/Garcia is a great fight? Are you saying Floyd is that much better?

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"Once he starts getting countered over and over again, he is gonna get gun shy, just like Shane, Canelo, and many others. His punch output will go down and he will get out skilled"
is that a fact or speculation?
pac fighting vargas? fact or speculation.

if you keep arguing over speculation not hard facts- it's just unresolved arguments.

Of course its speculation. Its my view of the fight.
Pac fighting Vargas? Speculation again, but history says that we should be looking for this fight next.

Algieri ain't speculation, we know that!