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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: Stiverne-Wilder: Will it Lead To Wladimir Klitschko?

    by Cliff Rold - It looks like we probably have a fight.

    All signs point currently to the long negotiation between WBC Heavyweight titlist Bermane Stiverne (24-1-1, 21 KO) and mandatory challenger Deontay Wilder (32-0, 32 KO) finally reaching its conclusion. Let’s assume that to be the case.

    What does that mean for the future of the Heavyweight division?

    The immediate answer is the obvious. Stiverne-Wilder matches two big punchers with lots of question marks. Wilder has been brought along as a project, matched carefully along his development curve. A selection of veteran names (Audley Harrison, Sergey Lyakhovich, and Malik Scott) in recent fights was better than what he had been facing, but none were able to test him.

    Lyakhovich and Harrison were both badly past their sell-by date. Scott was folded quickly. We know Wilder has pop and speed. On the eve of his first title shot, we still don’t know much about how he does when a capable guy is seriously fighting back. This feels like a big step up.

    It’s not as big as some might assume.

    Stiverne, like Wilder, carries a big punch and he’s seen tougher rounds. Veteran Ray Austin ran him close before being stopped in the tenth. He easily outboxed Chris Arreola the first time they fought and performed well against a more focused Arreola in the rematch. Down on two cards after five rounds, Stiverne stopped Arreola silly in the sixth round to capture the then-vacant WBC belt.

    Aside from Arreola and Austin, there isn’t a ton of depth to Stiverne’s resume either. Arreola, for all the TV time he’s accumulated, never beat anyone most would consider a contender over the years. Austin has never been better than ordinary. [Click Here To Read More]
  • Hougigo
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    K-bro manager looking at Barclay's center.... maybe
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    • Scipio2009
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      #3
      Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
      by Cliff Rold - It looks like we probably have a fight.

      All signs point currently to the long negotiation between WBC Heavyweight titlist Bermane Stiverne (24-1-1, 21 KO) and mandatory challenger Deontay Wilder (32-0, 32 KO) finally reaching its conclusion. Let’s assume that to be the case.

      What does that mean for the future of the Heavyweight division?

      The immediate answer is the obvious. Stiverne-Wilder matches two big punchers with lots of question marks. Wilder has been brought along as a project, matched carefully along his development curve. A selection of veteran names (Audley Harrison, Sergey Lyakhovich, and Malik Scott) in recent fights was better than what he had been facing, but none were able to test him.

      Lyakhovich and Harrison were both badly past their sell-by date. Scott was folded quickly. We know Wilder has pop and speed. On the eve of his first title shot, we still don’t know much about how he does when a capable guy is seriously fighting back. This feels like a big step up.

      It’s not as big as some might assume.

      Stiverne, like Wilder, carries a big punch and he’s seen tougher rounds. Veteran Ray Austin ran him close before being stopped in the tenth. He easily outboxed Chris Arreola the first time they fought and performed well against a more focused Arreola in the rematch. Down on two cards after five rounds, Stiverne stopped Arreola silly in the sixth round to capture the then-vacant WBC belt.

      Aside from Arreola and Austin, there isn’t a ton of depth to Stiverne’s resume either. Arreola, for all the TV time he’s accumulated, never beat anyone most would consider a contender over the years. Austin has never been better than ordinary. [Click Here To Read More]
      Winner of Stiverne/Wilder still has a mandatory defense against Bryant Jennings, before considering anything else.

      Even with that, neither guy is going to Germany to deal with "jab and hold' Wlad.

      Two big domestic fights on deck before Klitschko even enters the conversation, likely in time for Winter 2015.

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      • LOWBLOW_CHAMP
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        winner vs fury then klitcsckos huggin ass

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        • Elroy1
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          Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
          by Cliff Rold - It looks like we probably have a fight.

          All signs point currently to the long negotiation between WBC Heavyweight titlist Bermane Stiverne (24-1-1, 21 KO) and mandatory challenger Deontay Wilder (32-0, 32 KO) finally reaching its conclusion. Let’s assume that to be the case.

          What does that mean for the future of the Heavyweight division?

          The immediate answer is the obvious. Stiverne-Wilder matches two big punchers with lots of question marks. Wilder has been brought along as a project, matched carefully along his development curve. A selection of veteran names (Audley Harrison, Sergey Lyakhovich, and Malik Scott) in recent fights was better than what he had been facing, but none were able to test him.

          Lyakhovich and Harrison were both badly past their sell-by date. Scott was folded quickly. We know Wilder has pop and speed. On the eve of his first title shot, we still don’t know much about how he does when a capable guy is seriously fighting back. This feels like a big step up.

          It’s not as big as some might assume.

          Stiverne, like Wilder, carries a big punch and he’s seen tougher rounds. Veteran Ray Austin ran him close before being stopped in the tenth. He easily outboxed Chris Arreola the first time they fought and performed well against a more focused Arreola in the rematch. Down on two cards after five rounds, Stiverne stopped Arreola silly in the sixth round to capture the then-vacant WBC belt.

          Aside from Arreola and Austin, there isn’t a ton of depth to Stiverne’s resume either. Arreola, for all the TV time he’s accumulated, never beat anyone most would consider a contender over the years. Austin has never been better than ordinary. [Click Here To Read More]
          I disagree. Stiverne's and Arreola's career's have far more depth.

          For example, the opponents of Stiverne and Arreola I judge to have been far better than Mike Tyson's opponents when he was unifying his titles!

          Stiverne vs MAnswell, this was a good fighter, and Stiverne destroyed him with what appeared to be awesome skills.

          And Arreola? Ha, if you think Wilder could last all those rounds mounting such a trying performance as Chris did your out of your mind.

          There is no comparison between Wilder's record and the records of Stiverne and Arreola.

          However I am not saying that Wilder couldn't KO either, he DOES have the qualities your article alludes to.

          I just find it highly doubtful!

          But yes of course, the winner of that fight SHOULD fight Wladimir!

          Stiverne poses a serious threat though imo,

          Wilder is really just a sparring partner for guys like David Haye and Wladimir Klitschko who are so good Wilder would be lucky to even land a glove on them let alone something big and clean.

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          • crold1
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            Originally posted by Elroy1
            I disagree. Stiverne's and Arreola's career's have far more depth.

            For example, the opponents of Stiverne and Arreola I judge to have been far better than Mike Tyson's opponents when he was unifying his titles!

            Stiverne vs MAnswell, this was a good fighter, and Stiverne destroyed him with what appeared to be awesome skills.

            And Arreola? Ha, if you think Wilder could last all those rounds mounting such a trying performance as Chris did your out of your mind.

            There is no comparison between Wilder's record and the records of Stiverne and Arreola.

            However I am not saying that Wilder couldn't KO either, he DOES have the qualities your article alludes to.

            I just find it highly doubtful!

            But yes of course, the winner of that fight SHOULD fight Wladimir!

            Stiverne poses a serious threat though imo,

            Wilder is really just a sparring partner for guys like David Haye and Wladimir Klitschko who are so good Wilder would be lucky to even land a glove on them let alone something big and clean.
            Stiverne and Arreola beat better than the fighters Mike unified against? That's some quality trolling dude. Have fun with that.
            Last edited by crold1; 10-26-2014, 12:32 PM.

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            • Divine Hammer
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              i hope it happens. wlad can finally retire as the undisputed champ and ATG heavyweight.

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              • crold1
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                Originally posted by Divine Hammer
                i hope it happens. wlad can finally retire as the undisputed champ and ATG heavyweight.
                I do too but I can't see Haymon pushing that way, at least soon, if Wilder wins.

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                • dan_cov
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                  Would love to see Wladimir vs Stiverne presuming they both pull through their next fights, which I think they will.

                  Stiverne is very underrated. One of the best bodypunchers I've seen up at heavyweight

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                  • GhostBlade
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                    No, they should have to pass through Povetkin before getting to Klitschko!

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