What is the difference between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins?

[Bozo_no no]

I never rated Bernard Hopkins, he was never in my top 10 lb4lb whereas Calzaghe always was.

I think that speaks for itself.

[JuicyJuice]

It's a stretch to call defending the WBO title on it's own a 'regin'.

Compiaring Calzaghe to Hopkins is not the least bit credible.

If anything, his career at this point is comparable to Sven Ottke. Making defenses in a very weak division in his own backyard with an unimpressive resume.

SMW has been **** for 10 years but still stronger than MW, the last 10 years of MW are the worst in the divisions history by a long, long distance.

[DIEGO DA HITMAN]

Bernard is the middleweight king who has never beaten a great middlweight, he lost to a great middleweight but he has never beaten a great middlweight (doesnt bother most but it bothers me).

Both of his defining victories came very late in his career and as we all know they came against guys who would not make the hall of fame at middlweweight or even junior middlweight they came against guys that did there best work 13 pounds south at welterweight.

To throw the whole Joe hasnt beaten a hall of famer and Nard has argument out is crap-Bernard Hopkins is the luckiest man alive for having guys like Tito and Oscar come up and challenge him when they had no business doing so.

Nard is a middlweight so he should not be defined by how he performed against welterweights....the real Bernard Hopkins fought against Roy Jones and Jermain Taylor and what happened-he was hesitant as all hell, he fought as if a good stare at his opponent was eual to a hard right hand-he fought like a ***** in the three biggest middleweight fights of his career.

Bernard Hopkins is a huge overachiever, he really didnt have any amazing physical talents...it is easy to talk about Nard and how great he is-I dont do things the easy way-I take the hard route which is to call him out for what he is-an overhyped,overrated, overachiever.

As for Joe-he's still got a ways to go but at least his career definer wont come againt Winky Wright or Fernando Vargas.

It'd be very hard to justify an argument against that, Scap. I have a lot of respect for Hopkins, and I think he was an all-time great Middleweight, but if Joe picks up another big win or two, he should go down as an all-time great at Super Middle. They're both future hall-of-famers in my eyes.

[Bozo_no no]

SMW has been **** for 10 years but still stronger than MW, the last 10 years of MW are the worst in the divisions history by a long, long distance.

Suppermiddle has been just as weak, and Joe missed a bunch of the contenders, and didn't unify any of the titles.

I don't even think Joe's mum would have had him on pound for pound lists prior to this last fight.

[scap]

No, it just may have come agaisnt Jeff Lacy.

Any way you try and spin it, Hopkins cleaned out his division, unified all the titles, and knocked out other hall of fame fighters.

Are you going to tell me Hearns and Duran weren't good wins for Hagler and that he shouldn't be judged against those welterweights and Lightweights?

Give it a rest Scap, you hate on Hopkins and we both know it.

He's a lock for the Hall, and Joe isn't unless he picks it up big time starting right now. That's just the way it is.

I hate on hopkins...no doubt about it Bozo and me and you better not be the only ones who know it! (I know he is a lock for the hall-cmon)

I love Oscar Delohoya there is no doubt about it but the guy isnt Roberto Duran...sorry not even close and Hearns went on to win titles 15 pounds north...Oscar and Tito were out of their element/in over their heads. (Im one of the very few who realized this before Hopkins fought Tito)

I hate on Nard no doubt-admit you hate on Joe (which you wont do) and we can move on to better things like Hockey.

[JuicyJuice]

Suppermiddle has been just as weak, and Joe missed a bunch of the contenders, and didn't unify any of the titles.

I don't even think Joe's mum would have had him on pound for pound lists prior to this last fight.

Well Joe was always in lb4lb lists in Europe, maybe not America.

And no, 168 wasn't as bad as 160. 160 was the worst division in boxing when Hopkins held his IBF belt there, Hopkins was pretty much unknown before the Trinidad fight and never close to being on any lb4lb lists. Suddenly, after beating up a blown-up little guy he jumped to #1 lb4lb.. it's ridiculous.

[Bozo_no no]

Well Joe was always in lb4lb lists in Europe, maybe not America.

And no, 168 wasn't as bad as 160. 160 was the worst division in boxing when Hopkins held his IBF belt there, Hopkins was pretty much unknown before the Trinidad fight and never close to being on any lb4lb lists. Suddenly, after beating up a blown-up little guy he jumped to #1 lb4lb.. it's ridiculous.

Joe was not deserving of pound for pound lists before this fight, in europe, or on the moon.

And again, Suppermiddle was just as bad, AND Calzaghe didn't clean it out, unify a major title, or look to move up.

[scap]

It's a stretch to call defending the WBO title on it's own a 'regin'.

Compiaring Calzaghe to Hopkins is not the least bit credible.

If anything, his career at this point is comparable to Sven Ottke. Making defenses in a very weak division in his own backyard with an unimpressive resume.

You think it is fair to compare Ottke and Calzaghe but not Hopkins and Calzaghe?

Ottke has a slew of fights that people swear up and down he never ever had any business winning.

Joe controlled Charles Brewer-from what I have read Ottke should have lost both fights clearly.

Joe Ko'd Mitchell (I know about th stoppage), Ottke again if your read about the fight was given a gift.

You may think Hopkins is not comaprable to Joe which is both fine and easy and respectable but dont stoop as low to compare Sven Ottke to my man Joe we both no that is wrong.

[Bozo_no no]

I hate on hopkins...no doubt about it Bozo and me and you better not be the only ones who know it! (I know he is a lock for the hall-cmon)

I love Oscar Delohoya there is no doubt about it but the guy isnt Roberto Duran...sorry not even close and Hearns went on to win titles 15 pounds north...Oscar and Tito were out of their element/in over their heads. (Im one of the very few who realized this before Hopkins fought Tito)

I hate on Nard no doubt-admit you hate on Joe (which you wont do) and we can move on to better things like Hockey.

The difference is, it's a stretch to discredit Hopkins and his legacy. With Joe, as of right now, it's the truth. The guy has a weak resume, didn't clean out his division or unify a title up until last week.

[JuicyJuice]

Joe was not deserving of pound for pound lists before this fight, in europe, or on the moon.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

EuroBox magazine had him #8 in 2001 (after stopping Sheika, Woodhall and Veit) and Boxing Monthly had him #9 in 2003 (after beating Brewer and Mitchell). I considered him a top 10 lb4lber around this time too.