How did Sho blow the budget on tune ups?

[rogdogx]

HBO Boxing schedule - 2014: http://www.hbo.com/boxing/fights#/bo...ghts/2014.html

SHO Boxing schedule - 2014: http://www.sho.com/sho/sports/fights

And that's without counting the ShoBox cards that have been put on this year; another ten fight cards or so. By the end of 2014, a SHO channel subscriber would've had the opportunity to watch nearly 30 fight cards, among which are four PPV re-airs, and see many of the rising stars in the sport.

What has HBO delivered for their fight fan?

competitive fights with name fighters fighting other name fighters. Gamboa-Crawford, Donaire-Walters, Hopkins-Kovalev & seeing Triple G literally destroy everyone thats put in front of him for me.

[Scipio2009]

Piss poor year. Their main events on their main channel have been:
Lamont Peterson vs. Dierry Jean
Danny Garcia vs. Mauricio Herrera
Bernard Hopkins vs. Beibut Shumenov
Keith Thurman vs. Julio Diaz
Adonis Stevenson vs. Andrzej Fonfara
Robert Guerrero vs. Yoshihiro Kamegai
Danny Garcia vs. Rod Salka
Shawn Porter vs. Kell Brook
Adrien Broner vs. Emmanuel Taylor

9 cards and I count 2 main events I looked forwarded to; Hopkins-Shumenov and Porter-Brook.

4 main events turned out to be good fights; Garcia-Herrera, Stevenson-Fonfara, Guerrero-Kamegai, Broner-Taylor.

Of the 9 cards put on for Showtime Championship Boxing, you seem to discount the PPV re-airs and the ShoBox cards, you seem to have derived a certain level of enjoyment from at least 6 of the cards.

How many of the HBO Championship Boxing cards fell into that realm, discounting the PPV re-airs and the B.A.D. cards?

[rogdogx]

Of the 9 cards put on for Showtime Championship Boxing, you seem to discount the PPV re-airs and the ShoBox cards, you seem to have derived a certain level of enjoyment from at least 6 of the cards.

How many of the HBO Championship Boxing cards fell into that realm, discounting the PPV re-airs and the B.A.D. cards?

Shobox cards ****** this year though. JMM-Alvarado was also a great fight. If we are including PPV Cotto-Martinez, Bradley-Pacman 2 were also good scraps. HBO is outperforming Sho & the bad thing is Sho actually has most of the talent. Especially at WW. It does no good to have all the talent if you can't get them in the ring against each other though.

[Bushbaby]

I don't know what to say. Showtime has always been the best boxing network stateside. Everything went down hill after they acquired Floyd. Showbox was the greatest boxing series imo. Tis a damn shame.

[Scipio2009]

Khan-Alexander/Guerrero & Garcia-Peterson would outdo Bradley-Chavez. The problem is we know those fights aren't going to happen. Bradley-Chavez should be a nice style match up. Khan-tune up and Garcia-tune up seem more likely. Khan should get one fight in December but the chances of it being somebody with a pulse look pretty slim. Same with Thurman's next fight.

Amir Khan and Danny Garcia are both being positioned as options for the May fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr; fighting "no-pulse" opponents does nothing for either guy.

Thurman may get a softer touch, but he still ends up with a decent opponent (my guess is that Josesito Lopez is a real possibility)

[Scipio2009]

competitive fights with name fighters fighting other name fighters. Gamboa-Crawford, Donaire-Walters, Hopkins-Kovalev & seeing Triple G literally destroy everyone thats put in front of him for me.

Gamboa-Crawford was Boxing After Dark, just to be clear.

Beyond that, after being posed with a pretty basic question and according to your own reasoning, the HBO subscriber in 2014 should be happy for a fight that, almost literally, just happened, a fight that is still three weeks away from happening, and Golovkin beating on opponents in "10 to 1" - type fights. lol

[Public_Enemy]

This has been an awful year for Showtime. They regressed so much from last year even though they sport such a deep talent pool. Espinoza has dropped the ball big time.

[Scipio2009]

Shobox cards ****** this year though. JMM-Alvarado was also a great fight. If we are including PPV Cotto-Martinez, Bradley-Pacman 2 were also good scraps. HBO is outperforming Sho & the bad thing is Sho actually has most of the talent. Especially at WW. It does no good to have all the talent if you can't get them in the ring against each other though.

But we aren't counting PPVs; if we were I'd imagine that Mayweather-Maidana 1 and Alvarez-Angulo would earn some mention as good cards. Heck, if we're looking at the ShoBox cards, I'd imagine that you'd consider the Love-Medina and and Errol Spence Jr cards were really good scraps too.

Marquez-Alvarado and Golovkin in one-sided beatings against over-matched opponents; Hopkins-Kovalev is a good payoff for the Kovalev build-up, but that's the cream of what HBO has been able to deliver this year, with no other major showdowns left in the que for HBO, unless you count Bradley-Chaves being a fight that folks are looking forward to.

No Cotto, no Alvarez, no Chavez Jr, no Ward, etc.

[Pigeons]

Of the 9 cards put on for Showtime Championship Boxing, you seem to discount the PPV re-airs and the ShoBox cards, you seem to have derived a certain level of enjoyment from at least 6 of the cards.

How many of the HBO Championship Boxing cards fell into that realm, discounting the PPV re-airs and the B.A.D. cards?

I don't care about PPV re-airs since I watch all PPVs at a bar or movie theatre. I personally don't watch ShoBox much at all either. I prefer high profile fights.

HBO has had a bad year too. Crawford-Gamboa was great though. I'm also looking forward to Crawford-Beltran. I hope SHO delivers Andrade-Charlo and Stiverne-Wilder this year.

[Daylyt]

I get what your saying but I'm sure all of Haymon's marquee guys don't want to fight on NBCSN. Showtime should lowball Haymon to get his name fighters against each other. They either take low money for crap fights or get paid for real fights. If Haymon wants to put all his fighters on NBCSN then Showtime should let him. They are making bank for tune ups because Showtime is willingly coughing up the dough. Max money for minimum risk is what Mayweather & Haymon have ushered in. Showtime is enabling this type of stuff to happen. Its crazy.

yeah but it all boils down to, who needs who more?

Showtime needs haymon more then Haymon needs showtime.

So how can showtime lowball haymon?