Heavyweights not getting Credit - why ?

[bluzi]

first post of a lurker so no bashing , recently i saw in the "other" forum a post about wlad not being ATG and stuff about is comp and what not , i have 2 issues who bothers me with HW and boxing "evaluation" of boxers.
1. HW cannot go up in weight class to fight the next class biggest stars , which makes in the eye of the normal fan fight "BUMS" all the time , Wlad cannot go up in class to face the superstar of that class unlike PAC/Manny/Insert any no HW.
2. undisputed unified belts - causes the owner of that status to fight "bums" until he loses , because there arent any more champs that one guy holds it all , so the up and comers are just that , up and comers. Wlad will not fight HOF caliber fighter because no one can be HOF until he beats Wlad....(or Wlad retires and a new guy will be on top) and he cannot go up in weight to fight those class weight HOF.

I think the only way a HW has a chance to get recogintion in todays "bum this and bum that" is to retire when on top , let some other guy be "the man" return and beat him , because boxing fans are dissrepcting EVERY fighter which isnt the #1 which is sad.

let me know what you think , aside from the Wlad jabs i will get for sure

[Weltschmerz]

It is true what you say. If Vladimir had beat Lennox, nobody would be able to dispute his greatness. His longevity is what does it for him, instead. There are still good fights for him to boost further, Pulev is credible, for instance.

[beez721]

It is true what you say. If Vladimir had beat Lennox, nobody would be able to dispute his greatness. His longevity is what does it for him, instead. There are still good fights for him to boost further, Pulev is credible, for instance.

the sad thing is all the detractors will call pulev a bum despite what he does after the loss to wlad. it happens with every wlad opponent unfortunately

[Ryn0]

First Wlad is an ATG heavyweight there is no dis*****g that now. Where he is on that list is subjective. I don't consider him a top 10 heavyweight.

The reasons some people might have to dislike him are:
1. The state of the heavyweight division is poor, in my eyes Wlad best win is either Chris Byrd, Povetkin or David Haye
2. Wlad is a boring fighter (to most) I can appreciate that he is a very good heavyweight but a dull one
3. His 3 early KO losses all count against him

His standing will be greater once he has retired, it was the same way with Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis the length of Wlads reign will stand him in good stead. Heavyweights that are recognised during their era have great fights against great fighters or they are popular because of their style (Tyson, Joe Louis, Dempsey).

[Weltschmerz]

the sad thing is all the detractors will call pulev a bum despite what he does after the loss to wlad. it happens with every wlad opponent unfortunately

It's a pity he doesn't have a Lennox on his resume. There should be no dis*****g his true greatness based on ability and longevity. But yes, he simply has a lot of haters.

Ironically perhaps, it will probably benefit the HW division when he retires. There is little left for him to do, and he probably has just a couple of years left, unless he is somehow motivated to break further records.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Wlad better not waste time with Briggs. He's definitely one of the top Heavys of all time, and no doubt he would give any Heavy in history a tough match-up.

Wlad should take out Pulev, afterwards just get rid of the new generation then get out the game. Take out Wilder, Stiverne, Fury, Glazkov, Ruiz Jr., and Jennings.

[bluzi]

Thanks for the replies , i feel HW gets their "era" **** on whenever we have 1 guy on top , which sucks , other devisions doesnt have that issue as they just win the weight class and move on , poor HW

[beez721]

Wlad better not waste time with Briggs. He's definitely one of the top Heavys of all time, and no doubt he would give any Heavy in history a tough match-up.

Wlad should take out Pulev, afterwards just get rid of the new generation then get out the game. Take out Wilder, Stiverne, Fury, Glazkov, Ruiz Jr., and Jennings.

wlad will not fight briggs. amazes me how many morons out there think this thing with him and briggs is staged. wlad would never distract himself from a tough fight that's within weeks. its just not in his character. he never looks past an opponent

[Ryn0]

Not really, you are oversimplifying it.

Joe Louis era was far from great by any means but people can appreciate the fighter and the fact he got some good fighters under his belt before he retired like Schmeling, Bivins, Baer, Carnera, Braddock, Walcott etc. Tysons era in his first reign was hardly great most people would agree.

Marciano also fought in the weak era by his accomplishments make him recognised, had he retired with maybe a single loss he wouldn't be remembered as fondly. Larry Holmes era was pretty poor.

The eras of Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Norton was fantastic likewise with Lennox, Holyfield, Tyson etc.

But this era currently in my opinion stands as the worst in terms of depth of quality since probably Primo Carnera was champion.

[beez721]

Not really, you are oversimplifying it.

Joe Louis era was far from great by any means but people can appreciate the fighter and the fact he got some good fighters under his belt before he retired like Schmeling, Bivins, Baer, Carnera, Braddock, Walcott etc. Tysons era in his first reign was hardly great most people would agree.

Marciano also fought in the weak era by his accomplishments make him recognised, had he retired with maybe a single loss he wouldn't be remembered as fondly. Larry Holmes era was pretty poor.

The eras of Ali, Foreman, Frazier and Norton was fantastic likewise with Lennox, Holyfield, Tyson etc.

But this era currently in my opinion stands as the worst in terms of depth of quality since probably Primo Carnera was champion.

yea,,,this era is very poor but you have to take into account wlads longevity and total domination in his fights. even in a poor era its easy to have a bad night or two but wlad hasn't even come close to losing in years. I don't have him in the top 8,,,but I think he deserves at least a borderline top 10 ranking with his dominance and longevity