Is Everyone Overrated???

[El_Feroz82]

Man boxing fans are a fickle bunch. Everybody seems to have thier couple of fav fighters and try and discredit any other fighter. It just seems that there isn't one fighter who everyone gives a bit of respect, there's always people who will disparage them.

We watch boxing for entertainment, so why does it matter who beats who if we get a good fight? I was a big Vargas fan when I started watching boxing...the tito fight was the first full fight I watched and I was really impressed with Vargas's heart. He certainley wasn't the super duper obvious best ever boxer at the time, but after watching a few more of his fights, it just didn't seem like he was in a bad one often. I thought tito was really fun to watch as well, it's not impossible to like both. Everyone wrote him off as garbage or exposed when he lost to Bernard....where is the shame in that? As if you can really expose a three division champion as garbage.

People seem to take it so personal about who would win this fight and that and it just kind of seems ******ed to me. When good fighters fight someone has to lose and it DOES NOT mean the other fighter is garbage.

It's just kind of weird how certain people have great respect for the all time greats in Robinson, Ali and Co. but can't seem to forgive a current fighter for a loss....all the greats lost.

[Elroy1]

There is a clear formula...

The further back in time you go.. The more overrated the boxer.

And the closer you get to present... The more underrated the fighter.

With a few exceptions in the 60's and 70's where some of the boxers became so overrated they transcended the general rule.

That's pretty much boxing in a nut shell!

[Weebler I]

Yes, everyone is overrated because fans talk like fighters can't lose when the reality is they all can lose (and do lose, when they consistently fight the best).

[The Big Dunn]

Fans overrate and underrate fighters all the time on NSB. For the most part-power guys get overrated and guys that are highly skilled get underrated.

When it comes to winning and losing-if you're an undefeated fighter associated with AL Haymon then posters feel you are undefeated only because you haven't fought "everybody" you should. If you are associated with any other boxing manager/promoter your undefeated record gets more credit-even if it is filled with average and below average opponents.

[El_Feroz82]

Fans overrate and underrate fighters all the time on NSB. For the most part-power guys get overrated and guys that are highly skilled get underrated.

When it comes to winning and losing-if you're an undefeated fighter associated with AL Haymon then posters feel you are undefeated only because you haven't fought "everybody" you should. If you are associated with any other boxing manager/promoter your undefeated record gets more credit-even if it is filled with average and below average opponents.

I guess, but it works the other way too a lot of the time....and I don't like either. I personally don't think Haymon has been making many good fights lately, but that doesn't mean I think every boxer he has is trash. The problem I have with him, is he seems to muscle networks into accepting fights that they probably wouldn't except otherwise and it just leaves a bad taste after paying for a premium cable network.

[The Big Dunn]

I guess, but it works the other way too a lot of the time....and I don't like either. I personally don't think Haymon has been making many good fights lately, but that doesn't mean I think every boxer he has is trash. The problem I have with him, is he seems to muscle networks into accepting fights that they probably wouldn't except otherwise and it just leaves a bad taste after paying for a premium cable network.

Haymon's use of his leverage in power is one thing. Making general statements about undefeated records is another.

Deontay wilder and GGG come to mind-the undefeated record is developed solely on beating lesser fighters. Neither has beaten a fighter who is "on their level". That doesn't mean GGG isn't highly skilled and wilder doesn't have power.

Posters are going to like what they like-nothing wrong with that.

[El_Feroz82]

Haymon's use of his leverage in power is one thing. Making general statements about undefeated records is another.

Deontay wilder and GGG come to mind-the undefeated record is developed solely on beating lesser fighters. Neither has beaten a fighter who is "on their level". That doesn't mean GGG isn't highly skilled and wilder doesn't have power.

Posters are going to like what they like-nothing wrong with that.

I honestly don't see how you can compare Wilder and Gennady's records. GGG has fought "lesser fighters" who are ranked top 10 at the time....Wilder fought Malik Scott and that's about it. It drives me how fighters get title shots by not beating anyone in the top 15 of their division. But Wilder could turn out to be a great fighter, who knows?

There's nothing wrong with liking what you like, but I do have a problem with people hating everything else.

[The Big Dunn]

I honestly don't see how you can compare Wilder and Gennady's records. GGG has fought "lesser fighters" who are ranked top 10 at the time....Wilder fought Malik Scott and that's about it. It drives me how fighters get title shots by not beating anyone in the top 15 of their division. But Wilder could turn out to be a great fighter, who knows?

There's nothing wrong with liking what you like, but I do have a problem with people hating everything else.

Its NSB so often its a reaction to that specific poster or someone trolling to start a war.

As for wilder and GGG-(I agree with you about wilder) it would be interesting to see what posters, especially those who really like GGG, would say if GGG was with Haymon.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Yes, everyone is overrated because fans talk like fighters can't lose when the reality is they all can lose (and do lose, when they consistently fight the best).

Pretty clear, concise answer to the question.

Leave it to a limey to do so.

Tea sippin' *******.

[El_Feroz82]

Its NSB so often its a reaction to that specific poster or someone trolling to start a war.

As for wilder and GGG-(I agree with you about wilder) it would be interesting to see what posters, especially those who really like GGG, would say if GGG was with Haymon.

I like GGG and if he signed with Haymon and got big fights, then who cares....but I know what you're saying man, there would be a lot of flip flopping going on if that were to happen.

If I remember correctly, Paul Williams was with Haymon and he got matched up fine IMO