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  • El_Feroz82
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    #21
    Originally posted by deanrw
    Scoring by punches landed is the old ass Amateur way of scoring a fight.

    Different punches carry more weight and can tip the scales more than a jab alone. Max Kellerman simplified it best of all. Who would you rather be at the end of that round?

    That is the best way to score a pro fight. Who laid more hurt on their opponent? That makes it easier to write a 10 beside their name.
    Yup, even if it is just one punch

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    • bojangles1987
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      #22
      Originally posted by deanrw
      Scoring by punches landed is the old ass Amateur way of scoring a fight.

      Different punches carry more weight and can tip the scales more than a jab alone. Max Kellerman simplified it best of all. Who would you rather be at the end of that round?

      That is the best way to score a pro fight. Who laid more hurt on their opponent? That makes it easier to write a 10 beside their name.
      By that logic, Paulie Malignaggi can never win a fight, because his punches will never hurt more than anyone he fights.

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      • Deevel916
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        #23
        Originally posted by bojangles1987
        By that logic, Paulie Malignaggi can never win a fight, because his punches will never hurt more than anyone he fights.
        U saw what happened when he faced broner. He outworked and outlanded broner but failed to hurt or back broner up. Broner on the other hand landed fewer but more meaningful shots and won the fight.

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        • Jc8804
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          #24
          Just being active or just making your opponent miss and not being to active dont win fights. To dumb judges yes.

          To me other things are more important.

          Of coarse punches landed. Imo they should have sensors in the gloves .

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          • SplitSecond
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            #25
            Originally posted by Jc8804
            Just being active or just making your opponent miss and not being to active dont win fights. To dumb judges yes.

            To me other things are more important.

            Of coarse punches landed. Imo they should have sensors in the gloves .
            and how would these sensors differentiate between gloves/forearms/shoulders/elbows etc from face and body?

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            • stefl14
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              #26
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              Accurate scoring is not subjective or opinionated. Whoever is landing the most clean punches wins the round. No ifs, ands, buts, or opinion of any kind involved.

              The only opinion comes when two fighters land roughly the same amount of punches.
              This is not entirely true. Power does matter. It's not, but boxing ought to be scored exclusively on who does more damage in a given round. Since this is subjective due to different durability etc, the who would you rather be criteria is best. Power really should matter in pro boxing.
              Last edited by stefl14; 10-08-2014, 06:05 PM.

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              • bojangles1987
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                #27
                Originally posted by stefl14
                This is not entirely true. Power does matter. It's not, but boxing ought to be scored exclusively on who does more damage in a given round. Since this is subjective due to different durability etc, the who would you rather be criteria is best. Power really should matter in pro boxing.
                Like I said earlier, Paulie would unfairly never have a chance if damage is how you determine a round. He'll never do more damage in a round unless he completely dominates. If he's landing more clean punches, he should win it.

                The problem with scoring a round based on power and damage is pre-fight perception of a fighter's power. Herrera doesn't punch as hard as Garcia, yet his punches were affecting Garcia more than the other way around. Algieri doesn't hit like Ruslan, but for most of 12 rounds, Provodnikov's power wasn't affecting Algieri and Algieri was snapping Ruslan's head around.

                Clean punching is the main criteria. Anything else only comes into play if the clean punches are close in number.

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                • dc3383
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Deevel916
                  Lets take round 3 in the Floyd/Maidana rematch.

                  Floyd landed more scoring punches but Maidana landed a bomb to close the round and hurt Floyd. Who do u give the round to?

                  Do you give it to the guy who landed more or to the guy who inflicted more damage?
                  Here's reality that punch landed after the round was over so it doesn't count towards anything; if you give rounds for one landed punch than whats point of doing anything else lets just see who lands the biggest punch in each round.

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                  • dc3383
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                    #29
                    Most people score fights like its one big round not 12 individuals. the championship count the same way as rounds 1-4. No round has anything to do with the other Winky vs Jermaine Taylor showed that.

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                    • Showtime..
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Jc8804
                      Yeah judges are bias.

                      I score fights like this

                      1.ring general. Who dictates the pace and space of the fight .who gains the the timing and comfort.

                      2.smart agression. Meaning when you decide throw punches you become aggressive , are you landing your jab an essential weapon in boxing and are you landing power shots and are you landing body shots moving forward sideways or backward.I count head shots as 75% of the score chart for points 25% for body shots.how hard you hit doesnt matter.ring generalship will take effect if a boxer doesnt have power at somepoint. (Paulie)

                      3. Defense. Do you make your opponent miss with movement or head movement or do you deflect (catch or roll ) punches in which they do not land? Do you neutralize your opponents offense or smart aggression .

                      4. Do you hurt or damage your opponent ? Who would i have rather have been in recovery during the break physically .


                      Scoring fights based off activity
                      Or volume or can come into play, but not very often,Yet its used in scoring way to often. While the others are sometimes neglected.

                      Thoughts please
                      The activity can be taken Ring Generalship, that's why it gets a boost. Take in example Maidana-Floyd 1. Floyd landed more cleaner punches, but a good majority of the fight he wasn't leading the ring leader, letting Maidana dictate the pace his own way. Maidana gasses while Floyd adapted @ the same time leading to Floyd coming away with his rounds.

                      Floyd would usually get his points off of Ring generalship, defense, sometimes SA.
                      Manny usually gets his points based off of smart aggression & damage done, sometimes RG.

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