Why do you guys act like the fighters themselves are the matchmakers?

[jose.sooto]

Seriously this non sense gotta stop, i see people praising Keith Thurman all the time because he stays calling people out.. Thurman knows damn well its not in his power or in the people he is calling out to make the fights happen.

Another example is the infamous Pacquiao/Mayweather fiasco. Floyd actually is one of the few and maybe the only fighter that has a strong say in who he fights. Pacquiao on the other hand, does as Bob Arum say. It don't matter for sht if Manny says he wants to fight Floyd, we all know he does and Floyd wants to fight Manny too its just that Bob Arum doesnt want to make that matchup plain and simple, Alex Ariza already explained this story a few years back if im not mistaken. Go read that.

Anyways the pont is, you guys gotta realize that fighters calling people out dont mean sht but someone trying to get publicity.

[ИATAS]

Hasn't Floyd said he would never work with Arum and that he'll only fight Pacquiao if he leaves bob arum and signs with tmt? So it goes both ways man.

But yes, most guys don't get much of say while others do. And there have been many examples of fighters turning down fights that their own promoter is willing to make.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Because top fighters are in a position to pick their fights..

Floyd, manny, Marquez, cotto, canelo, wlad, etc.. They have the leverage to pick their fights..
If your some youngster like Verdejo or dulorme, then you don't have as much say..

[jose.sooto]

Hasn't Floyd said he would never work with Arum and that he'll only fight Pacquiao if he leaves bob arum and signs with tmt? So it goes both ways man.

But yes, most guys don't get much of say while others do. And there have been many examples of fighters turning down fights that their own promoter is willing to make.

Yes Floyd did say he would never work with Bob Arum. I believe that was in 2007 when he left Top Rank. Before people wanted Mayweather & Pacquiao to fight. Manny has had the option to become a free agent yet he keeps running back to Arum. Floyd being his own boss called Manny on the phone and offered him fckin 40 million dollars. Again all this sht goes back to Manny doing as Arum pleases. I am sure Pacquiao would of taken the 40 mil when he had the chance.

This is non on topic tho

[SilverMiles]

Yes Floyd did say he would never work with Bob Arum. I believe that was in 2007 when he left Top Rank. Before people wanted Mayweather & Pacquiao to fight. Manny has had the option to become a free agent yet he keeps running back to Arum. Floyd being his own boss called Manny on the phone and offered him fckin 40 million dollars. Again all this sht goes back to Manny doing as Arum pleases. I am sure Pacquiao would of taken the 40 mil when he had the chance.

This is non on topic tho

So just because Manny makes his own decisions in life instead coding what you and Mayweather want makes him a dumb or a bad person?

[MRCHOKEaMF]

Yes Floyd did say he would never work with Bob Arum. I believe that was in 2007 when he left Top Rank. Before people wanted Mayweather & Pacquiao to fight. Manny has had the option to become a free agent yet he keeps running back to Arum. Floyd being his own boss called Manny on the phone and offered him fckin 40 million dollars. Again all this sht goes back to Manny doing as Arum pleases. I am sure Pacquiao would of taken the 40 mil when he had the chance.

This is non on topic tho

Floyd said he wouldnt work with Arum after the 2nd or 3rd negotiations because they say Arum was lying to the public about negotiations they had (surprised about a promoter from the Don King era lying) When pac signed and had the big fiasco with Golden Boy, it was because they offered the Floyd fight, so he got out of his contract with Golden boy and signed with Arum. Ariza and Roach said four years ago that Arum and Konz were the hold up to the fight, and again recently Ariza said the problem isnt with the fighters they both want to fight, but the hold up is Arum and Konz actually I have the interview. so both Roach and Ariza have said this and you cant possibly get more of an insiders view than that. Illl post the interview at the end of this. But Pacs promoter before Arum, is on record stating that he purposely kept that fight from happening, because he felt and this is a direct quote "You got Mayweather, an African American that don't give a damn that's a faster fighter than Pacquiao is. I think he would have beat the daylights out of Pacquiao, but I knew what I was doing by avoiding those types of fights for Pacquiao".- Murad Mohammed (Pacquiao's promoter B4 ARum) EXACT QUOTE. AND NOW We have insiders close to Pac so you cant say Mayweather has anything to do with the information. heres a direct quote about it from Ariza: "This fight is not happening because of Bob Arum...don't get me wrong, Manny truly wants to fight Floyd, and I know Floyd wants to fight Manny, but they know that it's never going to happen...I know it's not going to happen because that was always the agenda; make sure that Manny doesn't fight Floyd. Michael Konz, Bob Arum do not want that fight to happen; have never wanted that fight to happen," stated world-class Strength & Conditioning coach Alex Ariza, who was raw and uncut in sharing his insight regarding what he believes to be Bob Arum's agenda to prevent a mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather.
This is as inside as you will get, Ariza didnt disparage either side so this sounds as honest as you can get. Without the fanboyism.

[Butt stuff]

Seriously this non sense gotta stop, i see people praising Keith Thurman all the time because he stays calling people out.. Thurman knows damn well its not in his power or in the people he is calling out to make the fights happen.

Another example is the infamous Pacquiao/Mayweather fiasco. Floyd actually is one of the few and maybe the only fighter that has a strong say in who he fights. Pacquiao on the other hand, does as Bob Arum say. It don't matter for sht if Manny says he wants to fight Floyd, we all know he does and Floyd wants to fight Manny too its just that Bob Arum doesnt want to make that matchup plain and simple, Alex Ariza already explained this story a few years back if im not mistaken. Go read that.

Anyways the pont is, you guys gotta realize that fighters calling people out dont mean sht but someone trying to get publicity.

because Canelo proved you can pick your own fights, even if its a horrible style matchup and a loss is possible, also Lara calling Canelo out helped that fight happen.

Similarly Froch could have veto'd the second Groves fight but caved to public pressure.

[boliodogs]

It's confusing. If a fighter has no control over who he fights then he shouldn't call fighters out the way Thurman, Guerrero, Khan and others do. I think fighters do have some say in who they will or won't fight and how much or how little money is acceptable for a particular fight. I think fighters can say yes or no to fights in most cases.

[Check_hooks]

Floyd ain't his own boss

He never was and never will be

If you can't read you don't run ****

[boliodogs]

Alex Ariza would like to be an important person in boxing but he isn't. I don't make up my mind about something because Ariza says it's so. I am not convinced that Mayweather wants to fight Pacquiao but Arum doesn't want the fight to happen and surely not because Ariza says so. Ariza has no credibility with me. He is a want to be nobody in boxing.