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  • Aztekkas
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    The Smaller Weights vs USA

    After watching Kiko Martinez vs Frampton II and Juan Francisco Estrada vs Giovani Segura this past weekend, I realized something. The draw these two fights had were quite significant. Frampton had a stadium built just for this fight, pulling in 16,000 spectators in a packed house to watch him fight live. That alone wass rather impressive. Giovani and Estrada pulled 22,000 fans into the arena in Mexico City for their clash, which is a huge number for guys at their weight class.

    It's interesting because these weight classes are nearly non-existent in the US. The average fan would refuse to watch 2 fighters whom combined weight wouldn't match his own. Why? No idea, but they'd rather miss out on some of the sports most action packed fights and clashes than sit through the humiliation of watching 2 small men prancing around the ring. Do I agree with them? Not at all.

    Now, most people tend to claim no one cares about these divisions and they should be abolished due to their limited exposure on the main boxing outlets. Yet, these fighters pulled in numbers most American fighters in higher weights would struggle to make themselves, it was however, in their own respective countries. Simply because certain weight classes don't receive exposure on Shotime or HBO, does it mean that it's a dead division no one cares for? I would say no. This weekend proved that the World does indeed care about the smaller men and perhaps the US is missing out on something special.

    Aside from placing the fights on major outlets, what could be done in order to make the smaller weights more of an attraction in the US market? Or are they doomed to remain a "freak show" of sort due to their limited physical attributes? Are these weights dead or unimportant since they receive no attention on US television, or is there hope for them in the future? Would they remain a niche attraction in a niche sport? So many questions I bring up but one thing I'm certain of, these weight divisions do matter…. especially to the rest of the world. 16,000 people in Northern Ireland and 22,000 more in Mexico City would agree to that.
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    There's plenty of Mexican-Americans in the U.S. that would watch the Estradas and Seguras of the world. Market the smaller weight class fights to them.

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    • ArgentinaX
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      Most US citizens aren't borderline midget. No disrespect or anything, but as a bigger guy, watching two guy fight who barely equal my weight combined is not interesting.

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      • techliam
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        I can barely tell how big the fighters are in the ring, unless a really tall ref is there to add some perspective.

        Welterweights are small aswell, but they look normal on TV

        I don't really get it

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        • Hougigo
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          I ran into Omar Narvaez once.... Dude s so small...

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          • Aztekkas
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            Originally posted by ArgentinaX
            Most US citizens aren't borderline midget. No disrespect or anything, but as a bigger guy, watching two guy fight who barely equal my weight combined is not interesting.

            Perhaps the thought of men being too small to possibly hurt you is a turn off? I mean, I see no other reason to neglect 1/4 to 1/2 of the sport due to the idea of men being too small to compete in the sport. I'm not judging or attacking you, I just want to understand folks with that thought process.

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            • Kagami Taiga
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              The bitvissue is there are no American fighters in those weight classes. Americans are just not that small anymore. Without any American fighters, it's hard to sell those fights.

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                No reason for those fighters to travel, they won't do anything near that capacity anywhere else.

                Anyone know what type of $$$ the gates did? Those numbers are impressive as long as 90% of the arena wasn't papered like it used to be for Berto fights.

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                  Originally posted by Bobby Shmurda
                  The bitvissue is there are no American fighters in those weight classes. Americans are just not that small anymore. Without any American fighters, it's hard to sell those fights.
                  That's very true. What bothers me most is the fact that most peoples believes are "if you don't get air time in the US, you don't matter." That's what gets to me every time I read it regarding any weight below 130.

                  Originally posted by mrpain81
                  No reason for those fighters to travel, they won't do anything near that capacity anywhere else.

                  Anyone know what type of $$$ the gates did? Those numbers are impressive as long as 90% of the arena wasn't papered like it used to be for Berto fights.
                  Thing is, most fighters dream of fighting in the US due to the money they see other fighters get once they break into the American market. Sadly most of them will never make it. While the fans of the sport at 140 and up claim it's a dry season, the lower weights go ignored during a period in which the best are constantly fighting the best. A fighter such as Roman Gonzalez should be renown amongst the best in the sport across the board, the world should be parading for his accomplishment this past Friday. Only in a perfect world. Reality is he gets a Hero's Welcome in his country while the media in the US has no idea Chocolatito is a PFP calibre fighter, not some Latin American candy.

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                    Originally posted by Aztekkas



                    Thing is, most fighters dream of fighting in the US due to the money they see other fighters get once they break into the American market. Sadly most of them will never make it. While the fans of the sport at 140 and up claim it's a dry season, the lower weights go ignored during a period in which the best are constantly fighting the best. A fighter such as Roman Gonzalez should be renown amongst the best in the sport across the board, the world should be parading for his accomplishment this past Friday. Only in a perfect world. Reality is he gets a Hero's Welcome in his country while the media in the US has no idea Chocolatito is a PFP calibre fighter, not some Latin American candy.

                    The American market is overrated as ****, I mean yeah the top fighters like Pacquiao/Mayweather/Cotto/Canelo do well at the gates but everyone else does garbage, the stubhub gets a lot of love but that place is tiny and hardly ever gets packed.

                    It's really the TV money that gets thrown around big over here, Chocolatito versus Estrada might be able to do a decent 6k gate at Stubhub because it's such a great fight. But outside of that there's aren't very many big fights for him, gone are the days of Carbajal and Gonzales making million dollar purses at flyweight.

                    People say that Ricardo Lopez was a superstar, I don't think so. He only headlined 1 card in the states I can remember(his rematch with Buffalo) and it wasn't a very big arena or packed. He was also the headline for fight fight against Will Grigsby but the real main event was Chavez Sr vs. Willy Wise, If I remember correctly Lopez only made $50k for that fight. The lower weight fighters can work for PPV under cards or HBO/SHO under cards but headlining events it's a hard sell.

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