A lot of people are ducking Keith Thurman.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Again, I don't think Thurman will duck anyone the way other fighters are doing in boxing, he may take the odd soft touch, but his attitude is different to most of today's fighters.

I understand why people are ducking him, but the the point is they ARE ducking him.

Yeah. That's what I heard Paul Williams fans saying a few years ago. That's what you hear Golovkin fans saying until you mention Andre Ward.

This romantic notion that Thurman is going to take on all comers at all times forever is just not reality.

No one is ducking him because he's nothing to duck. He is worth nothing to anyone.

[John Locke]

Yeah. That's what I heard Paul Williams fans saying a few years ago. That's what you hear Golovkin fans saying until you mention Andre Ward.

This romantic notion that Thurman is going to take on all comers at all times forever is just not reality.

No one is ducking him because he's nothing to duck. He is worth nothing to anyone.

We're going around in circles here.

If you fight somebody like Soto Karass instead of Thurman, that is a duck. What does Soto Karass bring to the table? More money? Probably not. Better for the resume? No.

What does Kamegai bring to the table? More money? No. Better for the resume? No.

These are examples of ducking. When you fight somebody who brings less money to the table and isn't as good an opponent as another opponent you'd been offered, that is ducking.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

We're going around in circles here.

If you fight somebody like Soto Karass instead of Thurman, that is a duck. What does Soto Karass bring to the table? More money? Probably not. Better for the resume? No.

What does Kamegai bring to the table? More money? No. Better for the resume? No.

These are examples of ducking. When you fight somebody who brings less money to the table and isn't as good an opponent as another opponent you'd been offered, that is ducking.

Keith Thurman is better for your resume to the 4 people who are fans of him on the internet.

At the end of the day the wider audience don't know the difference between a win over Thurman and a win over Soto-Karass so it does nothing for anyone's career in the long run.

If Thurman had beaten someone or was a champion or brought significant money to the table then you could make a point.

[John Locke]

Keith Thurman is better for your resume to the 4 people who are fans of him on the internet.

At the end of the day the wider audience don't know the difference between a win over Thurman and a win over Soto-Karass so it does nothing for anyone's career in the long run.

If Thurman had beaten someone or was a champion or brought significant money to the table then you could make a point.

It seems we have a completely different understanding of boxing then.

For starters, surely as a fighter, you want to fight the better guys? Secondly, every boxing fan knows who Thurman is, I'm not talking about people who only watch Pacquiao and Mayweather fights, I'm talking any normal fan of boxing.

Also Thurman isn't going to be under the radar for ever, pretty soon he's going to be a world champion and when people look back and see guys like Maidana and Guerrero choosing to fight weaker guys instead of Thurman, surely they're going to see what happened?

Anyway, like I said, it seems we have a different understanding of boxing and how it does and should work.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It seems we have a completely different understanding of boxing then.

For starters, surely as a fighter, you want to fight the better guys? Secondly, every boxing fan knows who Thurman is, I'm not talking about people who only watch Pacquiao and Mayweather fights, I'm talking any normal fan of boxing.

Also Thurman isn't going to be under the radar for ever, pretty soon he's going to be a world champion and when people look back and see guys like Maidana and Guerrero choosing to fight weaker guys instead of Thurman, surely they're going to see what happened?

Anyway, like I said, it seems we have a different understanding of boxing and how it does and should work.

Did you see the ratings for Shawn Porter vs Brook? Now every boxing fan would surely see that as a great fight between two young unbeaten welterweights for a World Title but it pretty much bombed in the ratings because neither guy was a big enough name yet. Whereas Garcia-Salka did well. Go figure.

A Brook-Thurman fight has the potential to be huge in the future. Right now though, it would just be two talented guys taking a very tough fight for **** money with no one watching.

[John Locke]

Did you see the ratings for Shawn Porter vs Brook? Now every boxing fan would surely see that as a great fight between two young unbeaten welterweights for a World Title but it pretty much bombed in the ratings because neither guy was a big enough name yet. Whereas Garcia-Salka did well. Go figure.

A Brook-Thurman fight has the potential to be huge in the future. Right now though, it would just be two talented guys taking a very tough fight for **** money with no one watching.

The difference is, Garcia is a big name even though I feel a ridiculously overrated fighter, he's known even by a lot of casuals. Guerrero isn't a big name, Maidana wasn't either when he ducked Thurman.

Thurman vs Brook although I would like to see, I understand why it won't happen yet.

Different situations.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The difference is, Garcia is a big name even though I feel a ridiculously overrated fighter, he's known even by a lot of casuals. Guerrero isn't a big name, Maidana wasn't either when he ducked Thurman.

Thurman vs Brook although I would like to see, I understand why it won't happen yet.

Different situations.

Guerrero got a million for his last fight against a nobody. He's fought Mayweather so people do know him well.

I don't know the full story with Maidana.

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The difference is, Garcia is a big name even though I feel a ridiculously overrated fighter, he's known even by a lot of casuals. Guerrero isn't a big name, Maidana wasn't either when he ducked Thurman.

Thurman vs Brook although I would like to see, I understand why it won't happen yet.

Different situations.

Maidana had already beaten Ortiz and almost stopped khan and was fighting Devon who challenged for a belt in his next fight. Where the fawk was thurman at ? who was he fighting? Hoskins?????

[John Locke]

Guerrero got a million for his last fight against a nobody. He's fought Mayweather so people do know him well.

I don't know the full story with Maidana.

Exactly, so he would've definitely got more money if he'd taken the Thurman fight.

Maidana basically pulled out of his fight with Thurman with two weeks to go because Thurman was 'too big', but then went on to fight Karass who's bigger than Thurman.

http://www.boxingscene.com/team-maidana-reject-thurman-fight-explain-issues--54571

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Exactly, so he would've definitely got more money if he'd taken the Thurman fight.

Maidana basically pulled out of his fight with Thurman with two weeks to go because Thurman was 'too big', but then went on to fight Karass who's bigger than Thurman.

http://www.boxingscene.com/team-maid...-issues--54571

Would he have? I don't know about that. Thurman would want to get paid as well. The money was probably not there for Guerrero to get any more than a million.

That's what I'm saying, the money available doesn't match the magnitude of the fight in most of these cases.