If Andre Ward retired today, should he get inducted into the HOF?

[IronDanHamza]

Calzaghe would have beaten ward, Roy jones would have beat ward, winky would have beat ward,, ward is a good solid fighter but not an all time great yet. I don't like Calzaghe but he put the beats on his best opponents

Winky Wright the Jr MW puts a beating on Ward? Right.

[jas]

Yes it is.


Ward didn't destroy anybody. Maybe Glass Jawson, but that's it. The win over Froch is legit, but the Kessler win is shady at best.

Froch has much the deeper resume.

Let's play a game Sir Nelson .

Who is froch's best win?

[BattlingNelson]

Let's play a game Sir Nelson .

Who is froch's best win?

Ok.

That would be Kessler.

[jas]

Ok.

That would be Kessler.

Who is Kesslers best win?

[LacedUp]

lol

you guys are ridiculous.

We don't seem to be alone.

[New England]

We don't seem to be alone.

that doesn't make you any less ridiculous when you say that a guy who was second to ward for his entire career is the better fighter historically.

[New England]

Who is Kesslers best win?

carl froch

who got f#cking schooled by ward.



easy work.

[BattlingNelson]

Who is Kesslers best win?

Undefeated Froch.

[LacedUp]

froch and kessler got destroyed by ward. you don't need to be a power puncher to pick somebody apart. froch was ready to retire after the ward fight, if you care to recall. kessler went from the favorite in the tournament to an aging fighter.


the kessler win is "shady" only to you and your bscene flunkies, man. real journalists, experts, don't call that a shady win, and it won't be remembered that way historically.

"destroyed"

Froch was 34 damn years old at the time and already wartorn. He's been ready to retire after his next loss for a while. Nothing new, don't act like it had anything to do with Ward. Point is, he didn't retire. He went on to demolish the guy many people thought was better than Ward and who Ward didn't want to fight.

The Kessler win, whilst it might be legit, will always be remembered for one thing, and one thing only. Billy goat.

Well he did beat Froch's best win first and Froch doesn't have another in the same league has his own name would be worth, does he? I mean, when all is said and done is Taylor or Groves a more worthy 168 name than Froch himself? I don't think so. What do world title fights mean when literally no half-intelligent person considers you the top fighter in the division? Fighting as the premier fighter>fighting as the second best. Does Froch have a deeper resume? Yeah. He does. But he's always been second best to Ward in his own time. So I can definitely see saying you couldn't be putting Froch, a one division fighter who never eclipsed Ward over Ward himself for a HOF vote. Plus, Ward was out DECISIVELY beating Froch and Kessler. You're going to bring up Dirrell and Groves I and you've got a very suspect stoppage and a very controversial decision. It's not just who you beat but how you beat them if you're comparing them directly.

He has Kessler, a 5 time world champion? It doesn't matter. Ward can't just live off 1 win. We agree it's the best combined win probably, but Froch has 8-9 more world class wins to back him up. Ward only has 3 or 4 at best,

[Accountoffline]

No, he's too inactive with no real excuse to not fight, fook him and Goosen, the man just wants to live a shyt legacy.

And for Naz, ofcourse he deserves it, the guy bought POWER in a division where you rarely saw it before, he more or less livened up a weightclass that was dead. His downside was discipline and love for the sport towards the end of his career.