Comments Thread For: Marquez's Manager Still Rejects Idea of Pacquiao 5

[C-SHO]

I actually don't buy the Manny brings JMM more money than Porter or Brook thing because it's about whether you're getting a fair share not what pays you most (and I'm a Manny fan)

That's the same idiotic logic Floyd fanboys use to say Manny ducked because Floyd offered him 40 million with 0% of the PPV ...

Well said.

[Beercules]

I actually don't buy the Manny brings JMM more money than Porter or Brook thing because it's about whether you're getting a fair share not what pays you most (and I'm a Manny fan)

That's the same idiotic logic Floyd fanboys use to say Manny ducked because Floyd offered him 40 million with 0% of the PPV ...

So you logically think, Porter or Brook bring MORE money for Juan than Manny?


I'm not saying Juan is going to make chump change, but to say Porter and Brook bring more mula than Manny is insane.

We all say "I won't buy a 5th fight" but you know you would to see how it plays out.

[ailicec]

Packy fans always pissed at these stories. Blame your GOD for not agreeing to pay!

Packy rather get paid less fighting Algerie than pay Marquez 50/50 and try but fail to get his revenge. Learn from Marquez and try and fight other good fighters, not a feather fisted champion. I actually think Algerie might beat Packy but it will be so boring to watch.

[ButtScratcher^^]

As long as marquez is still active, there is always a possibility of him thinking of that one last big cash out thing before leaving the sport for good. The chance of it happening will always be 50-50 as long as this good old veteran is still in the sport.

[TLC8]

NACHO!!! It's OK For Manny To Get KO'd, But Not For JMM To Get KO'd In A 5th??!

Because Nacho isn't saying it, but the reality it this:

Marquez BEGGED for a 4th Fight. He was given a 4th rematch by Pacquiao. No drug test in place. Marquez trained and trained and lifted and lifted; he had never trained for a fight so hard before than that 4th fight. True statement. They did a piece on all the training he did for that ONE fight.

That being said, Marquez was physically out of gas in the 5th round. His face was bloodied. He'd just been knocked down in the 5th. Marquez was behind on all score cards, and it was obvious despite how hard Marquez trained for that fight, his tank was empty going into the 6th, on all accounts Marquez will probably get stopped in 2 or 3 more rounds. Everyone at ringside sensed it. Manny sensed it which is why he got over confident, was turning up the aggression, beating Marquez to every punch, got careless with no time left in the round and got caught with a Hail Mary punch. Game over. Hail Mary, Mother Teresa, it doesn't get any more fortunate than that for Nacho & Marquez. They know they dodged a huge bullet. They know three things about a 5th fight:

No way they can train as hard or harder for a 5th fight, than they did for a 4th. Period. That being said, their conditioning only got them 5 rounds. They were out of gas in 5, nothing left in round 6.

The second thing is, they'll demand drug testing in a 5th fight. Marquez under drug testing, looked like a smaller, slower, 40 year old counter puncher against Bradley. Against Pacquiao in the 4th, every said they'd never seen him look so big, much bigger than the 3 previous fights. Against Alvarado after looking so small and slow against Bradley, looked bigger again, primed and youthful against Alvarado, despite all the acne broke out on his chest and back. Under drug testing Manny would beat Marquez to a pulp.

And the third thing is all those factors described AND now he's a year and a half or two years older than he was for the 4th fight, and it all spells out a bad recipe and a dad night to remember Marquez by.

They know that 4th fight was a fluke amongst all flukes. They know it won't work out so good in a 5th so they told Arum they'd need $20M for a 5th fight which is the same to say we aren't fighting a 5th. They know nobody would give Marquez $20m. That's what they told Arum a month ago, now Nacho says it's not about the money. Which is it Nacho? U guys can't keep your stories straight. Just come clean with each other and tell your fighter you don't want a 5th fight because you'll get beaten up bad by Pacquiao and you can't live with that. Pac gave you 4 fights, and you're unwilling to extend ONE to Manny. Because you know you're guy gets knocked out this time. And one more tidbit, you'll get the same treatment from Porter if you think he's an easier route to a '47 belt.

[djt117]

So you logically think, Porter or Brook bring MORE money for Juan than Manny?


I'm not saying Juan is going to make chump change, but to say Porter and Brook bring more mula than Manny is insane.

We all say "I won't buy a 5th fight" but you know you would to see how it plays out.

No I'm saying, look, Floyd tried to lowball Manny (I don't even think the offer was genuine anyways) but let's pretend it was and Floyd said, "Here, I'll give you $40 million flat, but I keep 100% of the PPV; your earnings are capped, mine aren't"

At that time, the Manny-Floyd fight would've easily broken 3M PPV, and with Floyd keeping 100% of the PPV revenue, Floyd would've cleared at least $100 million (maybe even well over $100 million), depending upon the final PPV numbers.

In a fight where Manny's presence in the matchup would've been the reason for such blockbuster PPV sales, $40 million (with no PPV upside) was frankly an insult. Reportedly, Manny said as much and hung up.

You might say, "Well could Manny have made $40 million fighting anyone else?" ... and the answer to that would be no.

However, it's not about whether other opponents could pay you as much, it's about whether you are getting what you deserve.

The fact that Marquez would make more fighting Manny than he would fighting the winner of Porter / Brook doesn't mean Marquez should bend over and take it in the butt at the negotiating table with Team Pacquiao.

Just like Pac was right to tell Floyd to shove his $40 million where the sun don't shine.

[pasawayako]

I don't want the 5 fight to happen it will just a waste of time for pac to fight jmm again.

[Inkanyamba]

That's right stay strong Juan! Don't let these tardletts fool you into thinking the public wants another fight. The rivalry is FINISHED. It's OVER. It ended with a vicious RIGHT HOOK that put the Pac man to sleep.

[TLC8]

Packy rather get paid less fighting Algerie than pay Marquez 50/50 and try but fail to get his revenge. Learn from Marquez and try and fight other good fighters, not a feather fisted champion. I actually think Algerie might beat Packy but it will be so boring to watch.

You're just frickin ******. I think you're an idiot as well. Pac chose Algie instead of Marquez?? You shouldn't even be allowed to post.

Pacquiao has been calling for Marquez since the 4th fight. Did you just crawl out from under a rock. Pacquiao can't get Floyd to fight. He's begged Marquez for ONE rematch, after Manny has given JMM 4 fights. They won't fight Manny. Marquez took less money to fight Bradley than to give Pac an immediate rematch. Marquez then chose to fight Alvarado who just got destroyed by Provo, rather than fight Manny OR Provo OR Porter who all three called out Marquez.

The ONLY reason why Manny fought Rios is because Floyd, Marquez nor Bradley would fight him. So Rios was a 3rd or 4th option the media demanded to see. Rios got embarrassed. Now Manny ends up with Algieri only because they screwed Provo out of a decision, Algieri has the belt, and still Marquez nor Floyd will fight Manny. Bradley finally decided to give Manny his rematch and he took a beatdown for it.

So don't drum up this ******, "let me throw this against the wall and see if it sticks, comments. Algie has how many career knock outs and you think he gives many trouble??? LOL!!! You probably thought Rod Salka would give Garcia fits too. Damn you're a clown.

[TLC8]

No I'm saying, look, Floyd tried to lowball Manny (I don't even think the offer was genuine anyways) but let's pretend it was and Floyd said, "Here, I'll give you $40 million flat, but I keep 100% of the PPV; your earnings are capped, mine aren't"

At that time, the Manny-Floyd fight would've easily broken 3M PPV, and with Floyd keeping 100% of the PPV revenue, Floyd would've cleared at least $100 million (maybe even well over $100 million), depending upon the final PPV numbers.

In a fight where Manny's presence in the matchup would've been the reason for such blockbuster PPV sales, $40 million (with no PPV upside) was frankly an insult. Reportedly, Manny said as much and hung up.

You might say, "Well could Manny have made $40 million fighting anyone else?" ... and the answer to that would be no.

However, it's not about whether other opponents could pay you as much, it's about whether you are getting what you deserve.

The fact that Marquez would make more fighting Manny than he would fighting the winner of Porter / Brook doesn't mean Marquez should bend over and take it in the butt at the negotiating table with Team Pacquiao.

Just like Pac was right to tell Floyd to shove his $40 million where the sun don't shine.

I agree with everything you said and described very well, I might add... Right up until your last statement that implied Marquez shouldn't take it up the butt for Pacquiao and not get his fair share.... Nobody has a problem in Manny's camp with Marquez getting his fair share or even a 50/50 split. In fact they offered Marquez to do the fight either in Macau or Dubai so there'd be no taxes. That's even MORE money for both fighters than they'd ever gotten. But Marquez said he wanted $20M, purposely priced himself out do ridiculous, the fight doesn't happen. Nobody gives Marquez $20M and Nacho & Marquez know that too, so the fight doesn't happen. Marquez & Nacho don't want the fight to happen. Just like Floyd telling Manny, "I'll give you $40m, and I get 100% PPV. There was no signed offer so that was all smoke and mirrors for the media to write about, and more importantly, Floyd knew nobody would take that deal and potentially give up another $10m-$20m, which like Marquez, was Floyd's way of saying he didn't want to fight Manny. Even later on Manny said I'll fight Floyd 45/45, and the winner gets the xtra 10%, and he heard crickets from Floyd. Manny went one further and told Floyd, "it's so not about the money, I propose we both put our purses up to World Charities 100%", and again... Crickets. Both Marquez and Floyd priced themselves way out of wack, because neither wants to fight Pacquiao.