The Love/Hate for Haymon

[JaguaresMx]

Boxing is a business, but it should be a sport too. Haymon doesn't seem to know this.

Maximizing short-term profits is not sustainable or business savvy. That's why boxing is a niche sport.

Thriving sports are businesses but also make sure that they are competitive and we find out who is the best. Fans are not attracted to the "business" in the long-term. I wouldn't care about the NBA if it was all about who makes the more money. I care because the Spurs can beat the Heat in the finals are DO GET A CHANCE.

When less than 800K constitute a good rating for the weekend's farce, you know the "sport" is settling for nothing. Imagine boxing with a commissioner and one champion per division. Imagine boxing as both business AND sport.

[Fetta]

He is a manager, why would I blame him for a fight card? I wouldn't why? Because there was a promoter involve. The promoter carries the blame for me, anyone blaming a manager is plain ****** IMO.

This is NSB! Common sense doesn't exist here! Hate and ******ity rules.

[The Big Dunn]

Card on 8/9-garbage. Card on 8/16-much better. Floyd/canelo w danny/matts-great. Some other cards-not so great.

Judge on the overall body of work rather than the usual demographic reasons. If you don't like the fact he's amassed a lot of power-get over yourself. Sometimes it's someone you don't like at the top. Deal with it.

When there are crap cards-remember the role the networks and promoters play.

When he does something wrong call him on it. When he does something right-deal with your unhappiness in a constructive way.

[MrWestGrand]

The idea behind this thread is sound. Like most things on this site, most people approach things with their minds made up already. It almost feels like the site is split in two.

However, I would say you've gone a little easy on Haymon. That card was disastrous, one of the worst I can ever remember. Further, I think there was something quite repulsive and sickening in nearly getting Salka seriously, seriously injured just to ensure Danny got some easy money. It really left a bad taste in my mouth.

Showtime had a date to fill, It was built as a special attraction, and if Danny would have struggled people would still call him a fraud anyways. Haymon does what a manager is suspose to do, get your your client the highest profit possible and manage the risk. As far as Salka is concerned, the guy has fought at that weight numerous times, and I don't understand how that gets overlooked.

[M.I Truth ?]

The idea behind this thread is sound. Like most things on this site, most people approach things with their minds made up already. It almost feels like the site is split in two.

However, I would say you've gone a little easy on Haymon. That card was disastrous, one of the worst I can ever remember. Further, I think there was something quite repulsive and sickening in nearly getting Salka seriously, seriously injured just to ensure Danny got some easy money. It really left a bad taste in my mouth.

Fair point about that last card. Its not that I'm going easy on him (at least that's not my intent) its that I am indifferent about him. The mismatch was very bad. Your right about Salka's health as well but Haymon is not the most guilty party when it comes to that. Salka has people around him that should decide if money is worth that type health risk.

[M.I Truth ?]

He is a manager, why would I blame him for a fight card? I wouldn't why? Because there was a promoter involve. The promoter carries the blame for me, anyone blaming a manager is plain ****** IMO.

People blame him because he is powerful and has leverage. I agree that the promoters get off easy in the argument. He has become a scapegoat that stays in the shadows and it works out because he does not ever make a statement to defend himself or acknowledge the wrong doing. I'm not convinced he is better or worse for boxing than anyone else really.

[killakali]

Card on 8/9-garbage. Card on 8/16-much better. Floyd/canelo w danny/matts-great. Some other cards-not so great.

Judge on the overall body of work rather than the usual demographic reasons. If you don't like the fact he's amassed a lot of power-get over yourself. Sometimes it's someone you don't like at the top. Deal with it.

When there are crap cards-remember the role the networks and promoters play.

When he does something wrong call him on it. When he does something right-deal with your unhappiness in a constructive way.

8/16 has 2 good fights. I dont need to see Bika Dirrell again. Put that rematch on foxsports. The khan collazo was good but Broner Molina was a joke. The 8/9 card was horrible and the 9/6 card with Broner Taylor and Matthysse Ortiz is garbage too.

Keep in mind that Porter-Brook is only happening because Brook is the mandatory.

On Floyd-Maidana2 Vazquez-Bey is one of the most unwatchable matchups made in recent memory. They better have good opponents for Angulo and Santa Cruz but based on this recent track record it looks doubtful.