Comments Thread For: Team Canelo Eye Miguel Cotto's Middleweight Crown

[Beater_of_ass]

And Canelo did better than Cotto against Trout, so how does that fit into your triangle theory?

It's not a triangle theory, it was a measuring stick against a similar opponent. Trout was a bad loss, but Canelo only did slightly better against Trout it wasn't like Cotto didn't win a round in that fight. He won at least 3 or 4 rounds minimum in that fight, Canelo won what 3 more? Cotto is also obviously a better fight than he showed in the Trout fight while Canelo hasn't improved at all since Mayweather. It may not even be his fault, he obviously works hard but maybe he should stop the HS diploma and change teachers going for that PhD.

Canelo I think is simply too slow on his feet, and while he is a big guy he doesn't have the best stamina. He fights at a steady pace and that favors Cotto, Cotto also likes to work at a steady pace, but he is better at ring generalship, has much more experience and is excellent at keeping the other fighter off rhythm. He is also the better boxer and just better overall, even being the older fighter. Canelo has a few things going for him as well such as being bigger, possibly more punching power and a better chin. I'm still going with Cotto, skills pay the bills and size isn't everything as Cotto showed against Martinez.

[hitking]

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We will agree to disagree. Who is the black/hip-hop community going to get behind after Floyd? Broner?

"..Black/hip-hop/community"??? I didn't know they were synonymous. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know right. I'm a 32yr old black man that lives in the burbs and anything rap/hip-hop related released in the last decade is so terrible it makes my ears bleed. I'm 100% pro black and a proud member of the black community. But the hip-hop scene passed me up a long time ago. But I no longer have the energy to, nor do I care about changing certain folks stereotypes. The guy that made the stereotype seems like a decent fella and I don't think he has any malicious intent. He's just clueless when it comes to the black community, the hip-hop community, and how they impact boxing sales. Because 100% of my, family, friends, and associates are black. 100% of them know who Floyd is. And to a man, on a Floyd fight weekend they are looking for somewhere to watch free. And if they don't find somewhere, all are perfectly content to wait a week and watch the replay. That may not be the norm everywhere. But the black and hip-hop communities don't have nearly as big an impact on Floyd's revenue as the gentleman thinks.

[Divine Hammer]

Canelo is ducking the middleweight division. He and his team have created a new weight class called cowardweight with a limit of 155 lbs. If you want canelo you need to fight him at cowardweight.

[KO MX]

Canelo is ducking the middleweight division. He and his team have created a new weight class called cowardweight with a limit of 155 lbs. If you want canelo you need to fight him at cowardweight.

[TLC8]

I don't think either would hold up vs GGG. I don't think Canelo has been in a real war that would prepare him for the punishment he'd have to take.....and Golovkin would nullify any advantage Canelo had.

I agree to some extent on Cotto. He did just win the title and to be fair, MW champions typically take one or two soft touches after winning the belt.

But by looking at Cotto and what he can do vs Canelo and his gifts, I think experience wins over youth. I think their power is similar. I think speed might be in Canelo's favor but would be nullified by Cotto's better timing and defense. I think Cotto would win that fight......

Cotto has done enough in his career. He has no need to take the risk of a massacre by GGG. His face doesn't hold up well and he didn't do so well vs Margarito with all the pressure. This would be a guy that applies more pressure, takes an even better shot, cuts the ring better and hits much harder without loaded gloves. And he's a better body puncher at the weight.

Too many wars for Cotto. He should fight Canelo and if he gets by him, lure Floyd up to 155 and walk away with a healthy retirement package, let Floyd leave the vacant title for GGG to take vs whoever is left.......Cotto doesn't owe us a fight with GGG simply because he beat Sergio. And I hope he doesn't do it for his own sake.......

There's no question, neither Canelo nor Cotto can beat GGG. And let's not be mistaken, Canelo had wars with Angulo and Trout, so he can stand in there and war. He has plenty of experience to beat up Cotto and he will. At some point Cotto is not going to show up like he did with Trout. He's just not going to have it one night for having too many wars. Canelo wins a UD against Cotto and gets loses a UD to GGG. Cotto probably won't fight GGG despite winning the title against a shot 40 year old much larger than himself. But should the fight happen, Gennady would stop Cotto inside 8 rounds.

Cotto never had a problem with how big Sergio was, but has a problem with GGG being the same size. The difference is one guy was old and shot, the other is prime and you stay hit when he hits you.

[TLC8]

It's not a triangle theory, it was a measuring stick against a similar opponent. Trout was a bad loss, but Canelo only did slightly better against Trout it wasn't like Cotto didn't win a round in that fight. He won at least 3 or 4 rounds minimum in that fight, Canelo won what 3 more? Cotto is also obviously a better fight than he showed in the Trout fight while Canelo hasn't improved at all since Mayweather. It may not even be his fault, he obviously works hard but maybe he should stop the HS diploma and change teachers going for that PhD.

Canelo I think is simply too slow on his feet, and while he is a big guy he doesn't have the best stamina. He fights at a steady pace and that favors Cotto, Cotto also likes to work at a steady pace, but he is better at ring generalship, has much more experience and is excellent at keeping the other fighter off rhythm. He is also the better boxer and just better overall, even being the older fighter. Canelo has a few things going for him as well such as being bigger, possibly more punching power and a better chin. I'm still going with Cotto, skills pay the bills and size isn't everything as Cotto showed against Martinez.

There's no triangle theory. Had neither fought Trout, Canelo still beats Cotto. Trout fought the fight of his life against Cotto, and was way bigger than Cotto on that night. That's the fight that Cotto will choose not to fight GGG. Cotto didn't do well against a guy primed that much larger. GGG is that same size difference and hits 10x harder.

Canelo & Cotto are taking soft fights yet the end of this year so to fight one another in May next year. In the meantime GGG is going to fight and win this other belt laying around yet this year. The ONLY way Cotto fights GGG, is if he beats Canelo, and he won't. When Canelo beats Cotto, Cotto will never get in the ring with Gennady. Canelo will get GGG Sept '15, after he beats Cotto.

[Beater_of_ass]

There's no triangle theory. Had neither fought Trout, Canelo still beats Cotto. Trout fought the fight of his life against Cotto, and was way bigger than Cotto on that night. That's the fight that Cotto will choose not to fight GGG. Cotto didn't do well against a guy primed that much larger. GGG is that same size difference and hits 10x harder.

Canelo & Cotto are taking soft fights yet the end of this year so to fight one another in May next year. In the meantime GGG is going to fight and win this other belt laying around yet this year. The ONLY way Cotto fights GGG, is if he beats Canelo, and he won't. When Canelo beats Cotto, Cotto will never get in the ring with Gennady. Canelo will get GGG Sept '15, after he beats Cotto.

So in a topic about Cotto/Canelo you bring up Cotto vs GGG in some attempt to hurt my feelings? Cotto gets killed by GGG I've been saying that forever... also anyone backing up Canelo needs to learn to shut their mouth. Cotto might be ducking the biggest threat at MW, but Canelo is saying he isn't even a MW while fighting at MW against JMW... He did with the JWW and WW needing to move up to JMW to face him, now he is doing it with JMW making them move up to a Canelo weight. Just stop now while you think you are ahead.

[Aztekkas]

I like Canelo but if he truly wants to be a career 154 pounder like he has claimed before, he shouldn't even consider those belts and actually make 154. Let Cotto either vacate or defend them against a ranked and worthy Middleweight contender. Now, if Canelo decides to move up and overwrite his previous statements, then he should try filling out fully into 160 before even contemplating on chasing the belt. If he is truly considering making Cotto vs Alvarez for Cotto's crown then he should use the fight as his Middleweight debut once and for all. However it won't be right in my eyes, seeing as how I think GGG is more worthy of that shot and has earned it during his 160 campaign thus far.

Anyway quick point… funny how so many fans kept claiming Alvarez was fighting at MW officially by facing Lara and Angulo at 155… but are in distraught and fuming over the fight possibly being for Cotto's straps. Why so mad? If they fight at 155 for the MW belts.. well according to those particular fans, wouldn't it be just fine since it's "officially" at MW?

[Beater_of_ass]

I like Canelo but if he truly wants to be a career 154 pounder like he has claimed before, he shouldn't even consider those belts and actually make 154. Let Cotto either vacate or defend them against a ranked and worthy Middleweight contender. Now, if Canelo decides to move up and overwrite his previous statements, then he should try filling out fully into 160 before even contemplating on chasing the belt. If he is truly considering making Cotto vs Alvarez for Cotto's crown then he should use the fight as his Middleweight debut once and for all. However it won't be right in my eyes, seeing as how I think GGG is more worthy of that shot and has earned it during his 160 campaign thus far.

Anyway quick point***8230; funny how so many fans kept claiming Alvarez was fighting at MW officially by facing Lara and Angulo at 155***8230; but are in distraught and fuming over the fight possibly being for Cotto's straps. Why so mad? If they fight at 155 for the MW belts.. well according to those particular fans, wouldn't it be just fine since it's "officially" at MW?

Who is mad if they fight for a title? It isn't like other MW's haven't had their chance against Martinez and failed, they should get a shot just because Cotton won and he is more beatable? The only MW who really has a case for that title is GGG, he is THE ONLY one who should be pissed of Canelo gets a shot before him. It will happen but it's just tough luck being in that division against 2 of the biggest draws in boxing.

[Aztekkas]

Who is mad if they fight for a title? It isn't like other MW's haven't had their chance against Martinez and failed, they should get a shot just because Cotton won and he is more beatable? The only MW who really has a case for that title is GGG, he is THE ONLY one who should be pissed of Canelo gets a shot before him. It will happen but it's just tough luck being in that division against 2 of the biggest draws in boxing.

Wait, what? Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I'm in agreement with GGG being the only Middleweight deserving for those belts. Above Canelo and in fact… Martinez should have given GGG that opportunity but opted for the safer Cotto fight and we all witnessed the outcome.

You ask who is mad? Mostly the boxing fans who claim Canelo is ducking GGG even though they are campaigning at separate weight classes. Anyway GGG batters Canelo in my books, unless Canelo somehow gains a huge boost of power and is gifted with a titanium chin at 160..which is very unlikely.