Who avoided more thurman or GGG

[Eastcoast]

It's hard to avoid Thurman when his promoters don't even push for him. I can only guess that Haymon sees more marketability in Broner, Garcia, and Porter and that he sees Thurman as a threat to those guys and keeps the brakes on Thurman's career. Keith needs to break free from the Haymon Monopoly.

[The Big Dunn]

Lol Thurman. Who's ducking ggg? Maidana and ghost have already publicly declined Thurman

GUys like sergio mora and ward that have called GGG out and can't get a fight with him are in the minds of some of the really worst NSB posters ducking GGG.

I think the answer is both equally. Both guys are low reward, high risk.

[New England]

Lol Thurman. Who's ducking ggg? Maidana and ghost have already publicly declined Thurman

martinez, froch, cotto are the big ones.

geale dropped a title belt to avoid fighting golovkin, IIRC, before he fought him.


golovkin is the most avoided man in boxing.

[djt117]

GUys like sergio mora and ward that have called GGG out and can't get a fight with him are in the minds of some of the really worst NSB posters ducking GGG.

I think the answer is both equally. Both guys are low reward, high risk.

Wonder how quick you'd be to take a steamy dump on a GGG-Mora fight if it were made tomorrow

I do believe that GGG is unafraid of Ward but his team is wary of the fight (especially without a prior fight at 168)

Also it's mighty easy for Ward to say, "yeah, bring on GGG" when he himself acknowledges he can't make a fight right now due to contract issues. It's like Quillin calling out Golovkin behind the shield of the Cold War: "I want to fight him but business **** is just keeping me from proving I'm the best Middleweight in the world" LOL give me a ****in break

[The Big Dunn]

Wonder how quick you'd be to take a steamy dump on a GGG-Mora fight if it were made tomorrow

I do believe that GGG is unafraid of Ward but his team is wary of the fight (especially without a prior fight at 168)

Also it's mighty easy for Ward to say, "yeah, bring on GGG" when he himself acknowledges he can't make a fight right now due to contract issues. It's like Quillin calling out Golovkin behind the shield of the Cold War: "I want to fight him but business **** is just keeping me from proving I'm the best Middleweight in the world" LOL give me a ****in break

Don't worry, HBO will never approve the fight because Mora's ugly style would make it hard for GGG to get a KO, which would end the streak that HBO markets.

Can't have it both ways. If you hide behind HBO and not fight guys, even as low quality as Sergio, that call you out when you are looking for an opponent, I don't want to hear how avoided you are.

It's like GGG saying he will go to 154 for Floyd knowing he can't because of his HBO deal and Floyd's showtime deal. If GGG can use "Cold War politics" to draw attention by discussing fights that wont happen, why can't quillin?

[Jsmooth9876]

Don't worry, HBO will never approve the fight because Mora's ugly style would make it hard for GGG to get a KO, which would end the streak that HBO markets.

Can't have it both ways. If you hide behind HBO and not fight guys, even as low quality as Sergio, that call you out when you are looking for an opponent, I don't want to hear how avoided you are.

It's like GGG saying he will go to 154 for Floyd knowing he can't because of his HBO deal and Floyd's showtime deal. If GGG can use "Cold War politics" to draw attention by discussing fights that wont happen, why can't quillin?

Quillen is an under card fighter. I doubt he even has a contract with showtime exclusively. He just hides behind Haymon.

[ggg_kz]

Don't worry, HBO will never approve the fight because Mora's ugly style would make it hard for GGG to get a KO, which would end the streak that HBO markets.

Can't have it both ways. If you hide behind HBO and not fight guys, even as low quality as Sergio, that call you out when you are looking for an opponent, I don't want to hear how avoided you are.

It's like GGG saying he will go to 154 for Floyd knowing he can't because of his HBO deal and Floyd's showtime deal. If GGG can use "Cold War politics" to draw attention by discussing fights that wont happen, why can't quillin?

Because Quillin doesn't have an exclusive contract with Showtime whereas GGG has with HBO. They never called out Mayweather, those were the responses to questions "yeah it's my dream fight".

[Divine Hammer]

people who have avoided GGG:

martinez (decides to fight small cotto)

quillin (ran to the haymon protection program)

daniel geale (made excuses for a few years - only decided to fight GGG after he lost his title and had nothing left to lose)

pirog (went into retirement)

sturm (he said he wanted nothing to do with GGG)

murray (drops out of a proposed fight with golovkin)

etc. etc.

6 known cases of top fighters avoiding GGG.


people who have avoided thurman:

maidana (thurman was almost a nobody unknown prospect and maidana wanted to fight the best)

guerrero (said thurman hasn't proven himself which is true)


2 known cases of fighters avoiding thurman.


therefore GGG is most avoided.

[The Big Dunn]

Quillen is an under card fighter. I doubt he even has a contract with showtime exclusively. He just hides behind Haymon.

Don't disagree. I don't think he has a Showtime deal, just a Haymon deal. And HBO isn't working with Haymon.

Because Quillin doesn't have an exclusive contract with Showtime whereas GGG has with HBO. They never called out Mayweather, those were the responses to questions "yeah it's my dream fight".

That was almost a year ago. More recently he reiterated that he would go to 154 for Floyd knowing that fight can't happen given the situation.

If GGG can draw attention to himself in this fashion, its extremely biased to complain when Quillin does the same.

[djt117]

Don't worry, HBO will never approve the fight because Mora's ugly style would make it hard for GGG to get a KO, which would end the streak that HBO markets.

Can't have it both ways. If you hide behind HBO and not fight guys, even as low quality as Sergio, that call you out when you are looking for an opponent, I don't want to hear how avoided you are.

It's like GGG saying he will go to 154 for Floyd knowing he can't because of his HBO deal and Floyd's showtime deal. If GGG can use "Cold War politics" to draw attention by discussing fights that wont happen, why can't quillin?

Really? You don't think if Floyd came calling that HBO would let GGG go for one fight to give him the *enormous* exposure (unparalleled in the sport today) that being a Floyd opponent provides?? Win or lose, HBO would end up with a more known & marketable name -- under a network contract -- after he fought Floyd than before.

It's irrelevant because Floyd will never fight him (not does he really have to -- I'm not hating) but I'm just saying, Quillin calling out GGG is *NOT* analogous to GGG calling out Floyd because at the end of the day, Floyd is the economic power broker in the sport and even if he had to pay off HBO a cool million or two to let GGG go for one fight, he could do so if he really wanted to. He can fight whomever he chooses.