Would Tyson been "the baddest man on the planet" if...

[Weltschmerz]

Tyson said himself that he didn't even expect living into his late twenties, let alone have success in boxing. Without Cus, he would have either ended up dead at an early age or in prison for most if not all of his life. He was bad regardless, you can say. The interesting thing about Tyson is that he is actually an intelligent person who could have done much better in life had he had a better background and upbringing. We can just be happy for him that he is doing well today and managed to turn his life around at a later stage and reform himself. I think that shows his true inner strength.

[brickcityboxing]

Tyson said himself that he didn't even expect living into his late twenties, let alone have success in boxing. Without Cus, he would have either ended up dead at an early age or in prison for most if not all of his life. He was bad regardless, you can say. The interesting thing about Tyson is that he is actually an intelligent person who could have done much better in life had he had a better background and upbringing. We can just be happy for him that he is doing well today and managed to turn his life around at a later stage and reform himself. I think that shows his true inner strength.

True ... But that's not to say he couldn't have found that same guidance in another trainer of Cus' caliber had he hypothetically been born in a different region or even a different era all together ... My question is, is the gameplan/style Cus chose for tyson the only way it could've worked? and was Cus the only guy who could've "made" him who he was...

Or was the style Cus chose for Tyson the obvious choice and another elite trainer could've gotten similar results ? ...

[ButtScratcher^^]

No. Cus is the perfect trainer for mike. Every ounce of skill, ability, mental game and physical attribute that mike could ever or potentially brought in the game was unleashed by cus and more. When he(cus) died, it's all downhill for mike from then on, everybody knows that by now.

[R_Walken]

My take on it .his legacy wouldn't be the same if CUs wasn't the one who shaped and molded him in his teenage years.


the Tyson that world knows was the perfect combination of so many factors and CUs was a huge part whether it was the love that he showed Mike not just as a trainer but a de facto father his guidance and fighting philosophy. . Mikes whole in ring persona was what CUs created.

With Emanuel behind the wheel Ttson would have been a different fighter. I don't know if he would have been considered one of the greatest ever or a journeyman but he wouldn't be the same as we know him today just my take.

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[Masters01]

If he was born in Detroit and Emanuel Steward happened to stumble upon him instead of D'amato ? Would his raw talent have still prevailed if a different style was implanted early on ? Or did he have to come up under Cus in order for him to be who he was ...

Where would he have ended up under another trainer ? :

World champ

Journeyman

Contender

Jail ...

NO. As far as boxing success, Mike would not have been nearly as successful fighting behind a jab, or fighting off the back foot. His body (small and compact) and attributes were designed for him to be a come-forward offensive guy, slipping, throwing short hooks, and knocking people out. His early team (Cus) truly brought the best out of him.

As far as being "the baddest man on the planet" in the marketing sense, then he also wouldnt have been successful doing anything other than coming forward, and knocking people out. This is what the general people love and think of as a "bad man", and still do today (think Pacquiao, Golovkin etc)

[MisterHardtop]

No is the simple answer. You see, Cus wasn't much of a trainer for Mike, a lot of the work came from Rooney but Cus was a father figure and a philosopher. He told Tyson, time and time again that he would be a great heavyweight, could Manny or any other trainer have done something like that? I highly doubt it.

[Masters01]

Tyson said himself that he didn't even expect living into his late twenties, let alone have success in boxing. Without Cus, he would have either ended up dead at an early age or in prison for most if not all of his life. He was bad regardless, you can say. The interesting thing about Tyson is that he is actually an intelligent person who could have done much better in life had he had a better background and upbringing. We can just be happy for him that he is doing well today and managed to turn his life around at a later stage and reform himself. I think that shows his true inner strength.

Look, im a big fan of Mike, and when i met him in Vegas by pure chance about 10 years ago, he was a really nice, respectful guy to all my family. But the bolded is just ridiculous.

He obviously has a very low IQ, and a very low ability to learn and absorb (though he has a decent verbal intelligence seemingly). He would never have been a good problem solver, nor emotionally stable, and if you cant see this then you are probably of the same kind.

Being a boxer was by far the best thing that he could have done, and he can be proud that he fulfilled his potential.

[DARKSEID]

I don't think Mike would be Mike without Cus

He raised him to be a champion. He taught him to be a King. He taught him about the greatest fighters of Boxing's golden age. Robinson, Ali, Louis, Marciano, Armstrong etc

He left too early though, without his guidance Mike became lost, like he was before he met Cus.

[J.Dempsey]

No way
From what I've read and interviews I've seen, cus was very philosophical and studied the psychology of a fighter.
Tyson (despite his look) was a very frightened young man, cus taught him how to embrace fear and use it. Without cus, Tyson would prob have been in jail.