If you think the concensus p4p best is a coward what does it say about the rest?

[djtmal]

well, that is why i said it was very interesting...

any one can make a square a circle or a circle a square...

it borders on counting chicks with the eggs not being laid yet...

future champs?

you will give credit to fighter A for the accomplishments of fighter B years after they fought each other? have you never heard of a fighter re-discovering or re-inventing himself? pac the one-dimensional right right straight left fighter that erik beat somehow improved as one can see in the pac erik 2 & 3...

boxers/fighters may fade in time or get battle weary...but some do improve...

saying floyd beat jmm who put pac to dreamland to illustrate floyd is better than pac is hogwash...jmm fighting pac 4 times tells me jmm has more balls than floyd who shun pac like the bubonic plague...is the thread not along this line?

These guys know that floyd left too many guys on the table, but it is fun reading all the excuses I will admit

[megadeth]

well, that is why i said it was very interesting...

any one can make a square a circle or a circle a square...

it borders on counting chicks with the eggs not being laid yet...

future champs?

you will give credit to fighter A for the accomplishments of fighter B years after they fought each other? have you never heard of a fighter re-discovering or re-inventing himself? pac the one-dimensional right right straight left fighter that erik beat somehow improved as one can see in the pac erik 2 & 3...

Basically talking about the fighters being future champs is just referencing the caliber of fighters he has fought, that's all.

I don't think Pac improved really. More like Morales declined. He looked bad against Raheem and he clearly stated that he was having trouble making 130. Hense the reasons Pac would not offer a catchweight in THAT situation AND the reason for the hefty overweight penalties.

boxers/fighters may fade in time or get battle weary...but some do improve...

OR Lost confidence!

Funny, this is EXACTLY what happened with Cotto. Yet Pac stans were laughng(and still do) when someone suggests that Floyd fought the better version of Cotto. The logic goes something like, Floyds version was shot, Pac's version was prime, yet for some reason Pac didn't want to fight the shot version, even after perusing the fight! Yet Floyd fights the fighters he knows he can beat and Pac is willing to "fight a lion if Arum tells him to" LOL!

saying floyd beat jmm who put pac to dreamland to illustrate floyd is better than pac is hogwash...jmm fighting pac 4 times tells me jmm has more balls than floyd who shun pac like the bubonic plague...is the thread not along this line?

I don't believe in triangle theories, so no, I wasn't saying that Floyd was better because he beat Marquez the way he did. And unfortunately, Roach and Ariza say you're a liar. Wonder why you don't question Pac's balls when Roach clearly says that they were at fault. Doesn't fit your agenda I guess, nor are you concerned with the truth!

[tangalog2200]

Basically talking about the fighters being future champs is just referencing the caliber of fighters he has fought, that's all.

I don't think Pac improved really. More like Morales declined. He looked bad against Raheem and he clearly stated that he was having trouble making 130. Hense the reasons Pac would not offer a catchweight in THAT situation AND the reason for the hefty overweight penalties.



OR Lost confidence!

Funny, this is EXACTLY what happened with Cotto. Yet Pac stans were laughng(and still do) when someone suggests that Floyd fought the better version of Cotto. The logic goes something like, Floyds version was shot, Pac's version was prime, yet for some reason Pac didn't want to fight the shot version, even after perusing the fight! Yet Floyd fights the fighters he knows he can beat and Pac is willing to "fight a lion if Arum tells him to" LOL!






I don't believe in triangle theories, so no, I wasn't saying that Floyd was better because he beat Marquez the way he did. And unfortunately, Roach and Ariza say you're a liar. Wonder why you don't question Pac's balls when Roach clearly says that they were at fault. Doesn't fit your agenda I guess, nor are you concerned with the truth!

"More like Morales declined"...well, maybe....have you seen the erik maidana fight? what can you say about Erik's performance on this one? against maidana who Floyd's feel he needs to fight 2 times...

:Or lost confidence"...hmmmm...that one is good....are you saying cotto already regained his confidence when he fought Floyd?

Roach and Ariza say i'm a liar wow!!! I didn't know ariza and roach knew me....I have not talked to these guys, so how come they say i'm a liar....please don't invent..you're not Edison....

[megadeth]

"More like Morales declined"...well, maybe....have you seen the erik maidana fight? what can you say about Erik's performance on this one? against maidana who Floyd's feel he needs to fight 2 times...

Yes i have seen it....and? So you're Maidana and Pac are on the same level? I guess that means that means you give Floyd HUGE credit for beating him, huh? Can you compare the Maidana of a few years ago to the Maidana of today? I don't think so and if you're being honest, neither can you. Are u really saying he hasn't improved immensely under Robert Garcia?

:Or lost confidence"...hmmmm...that one is good....are you saying cotto already regained his confidence when he fought Floyd?

This is EXACTLY what I am saying and it's EXACTLY what Cotto said as well. Just look at his performances AFTER Margarito. He looked like a different fighter(and not in a good way). Then go back and look at what Roach says b4 the fight with Pac. He says the same thing and basically says it's the reason they wanted the fight. Cotto said that he had lost confidence after he lost to Margarito, that he didn't fully regain until he finally beat Margarito in the rematch. RIGHT B4 the Floyd fight. If Pac and team didn't believe this and he wasn't a better fighter when Floyd fought him, then why pursue the fight only to decline it? No answer for that one, huh? Like it or not, those are the facts!

Roach and Ariza say i'm a liar wow!!! I didn't know ariza and roach knew me....I have not talked to these guys, so how come they say i'm a liar....please don't invent..you're not Edison....

Well, Roach said that it was their fault that the fight was not made the first time. Meaning that Floyd would've fought him in 2010 at his most dangerous. Ariza said the same AND he confirmed that Floyd called, made an offer and Pac didn't even bother to try to negotiate when he could've. He blames Pac's side completely for the fight not getting made. You have been around long enough to know BOTH of these facts, so essentially, you saying that "floyd who shun pac like the bubonic plague" is a lie that their words have already refuted. Could u really not figure that out or were u trolling?

[VG_Addict]

Can we still agree that Floyd is an ATG?

[tangalog2200]

Yes i have seen it....and? So you're Maidana and Pac are on the same level? I guess that means that means you give Floyd HUGE credit for beating him, huh? Can you compare the Maidana of a few years ago to the Maidana of today? I don't think so and if you're being honest, neither can you. Are u really saying he hasn't improved immensely under Robert Garcia?



This is EXACTLY what I am saying and it's EXACTLY what Cotto said as well. Just look at his performances AFTER Margarito. He looked like a different fighter(and not in a good way). Then go back and look at what Roach says b4 the fight with Pac. He says the same thing and basically says it's the reason they wanted the fight. Cotto said that he had lost confidence after he lost to Margarito, that he didn't fully regain until he finally beat Margarito in the rematch. RIGHT B4 the Floyd fight. If Pac and team didn't believe this and he wasn't a better fighter when Floyd fought him, then why pursue the fight only to decline it? No answer for that one, huh? Like it or not, those are the facts!



Well, Roach said that it was their fault that the fight was not made the first time. Meaning that Floyd would've fought him in 2010 at his most dangerous. Ariza said the same AND he confirmed that Floyd called, made an offer and Pac didn't even bother to try to negotiate when he could've. He blames Pac's side completely for the fight not getting made. You have been around long enough to know BOTH of these facts, so essentially, you saying that "floyd who shun pac like the bubonic plague" is a lie that their words have already refuted. Could u really not figure that out or were u trolling?

"So you're Maidana and Pac are on the same level? I guess that means that means you give Floyd HUGE credit for beating him, huh? Can you compare the Maidana of a few years ago to the Maidana of today?"

Where did i state maidana and pac are on the same level? anyway, let me deal with that as folows..maidana is better than pac because floyd already fought him and in fact gave him a rematch...for floyd only fights the best!!! so all floyd's previous opponents are better than pac!! he he he satisfied? on the other side of the fence..maidana is presently no better than or not even as good as pac...ask me why and i'll just tell you point blank you do your research...

as in my previous post, i believe some boxers even after some setbacks do improve..this is a non-issue to me..

so cotto saying he regained his confidence after beating marg is a natural thing to say..
how would you take cotto saying he regained his confidence back during his pac post fight interview? for roach, roach is roach and he will say things to play mind games to pac's opponents...same way he did to hatton, oskie etc etc..

and yes, floyd evaded pac and most boxing pundits know this...or you have to get off the planet you are standing on now as it seem to have stopped for you on the first nego....likewise, roach only touched on the drug testing issue...

the events that took place shows floyd is not a ****** for walking away from a fight...for it is too easy for floyd as he has a vast experience in making up excuses..

i'm retired, puerto rico is so far away!!! pac has marquez, irs and bir problems, health comes first and now the famous gloves...