Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[billeau2]

Tyson Fury has just pulled the biggest upset in boxing since Tyson/Douglas!

At this point, Fury is the man now, Klitschko now takes a step back.

In my rankings I currently have him 2nd only to Fury with question marks over Povetkin in a rematch.

It will be interesting to see if Wladimir exercises his rematch clause or sails away into the sunset like LEnnox did.

We COULD have a new era, OR we could have a situation like Rahman and LEwis, time will tell.

Even if Wladimir chooses to retire now, TYson Fury has YEARS of dominating victories to perform before he can even be considered the GOAT over WK.

Wladimir has earned his place as a "SATG" or Super All Time Great..

We probably wont see his relative level topped for around a hundred years or so!

Spinks beat Ali, yet we don't consider Spinks better,
Spinks beat Holmes yet we don't consider Spinks better,
Douglas beat TYson yet we don't consider Douglas better,
Everybody beat Holyfield but we consider him better than most,

And so on...

To be in the club of LEnnox, Wladimir and Vitali requires even FURTHER effort. It includes wiping the floor with the division multiple times over the course of an entire decade.

However, just because he isn't the GOAT yet should not detract from this magnificent performance.

The guy has just shook the world!

I personally viewed Fury as an easy KO for WK and felt he had already wasted the last remaining serious threats.

I viewed anything he did left as merely "house-keeping" work.

Atleast he went out on his shield to a truly deserving contender who will do great things for boxing. Nobody I expect will complain about boring fights again now.

Well done Tyson!! You ended 12 years of the most absolute dominance the sport has ever seen.

No you did a lot more than "view" Vlad a certain way. you constantly used the word fact to describe your silly opinions, you mocked people who carefully analyzed the potential for this fight, you overrun the boards with ridiculous trollings...I won't even ask any other to eat crow, but you? :bukkake:

let me just rephrase a post that you mocked and clue you in on a few things and then no more responses. I said "one can forensickly deconstruct what a victory would conceviably look like for Fury and draw some useful conclusions, and to paraphrase it was determined that this strategy had worked well for the Holm fight. Specifically for this fight I determined that in fact, while many thought Vlad to be a better boxer, this was in fact questionable...Vlad really is a powerful puncher with a great jab...

Remember now? heres some more refreshment: shut down Vlad's jab and he has little skills besides a big punch at a stationary target and this would ensure a Fury victory.

Now troll this will be my one "told ya so" shut your pie hole, stop passing the nonsense you pass off as fact, stop using analogies you are unfamiliar with like physics which you know nothing about, and understand this...Whatever one thinks of Fury he is a bit like a fighter from a generation where a man was expected to learn all skill sets, move properly in the ring, and develop with mentorship under the supervision of those who knew the tricks of the trade...Fury is a work in progress, who is progressing well. he has been taught to move, fight inside and out, take advantage of an opponents weaknesses, by a fighting family.

Now hear this: in this flat footed stationary division, where you have the gal to claim these men are superior, Fury has the tremendous advantages described above. Vlad never showed he could fight a moving target, much less some of the fighters you degrade on a regular basis.

So eat crow! or better yet, stop polluting the boards with your BS for at least a while.

[RED REP]

Lmao this guy man.

Dude who are you again ? Don't answer it, I'm not interested this be our last talking to each other.

I've never seen you post anywhere let alone this thread, just leave you're embarrassing yourself as a wagon climber. Don't beat yourself off over it it is what it is, you hadn't the voice to back your so called man you haven't bothered to support in this thread one iota.

I'll see you in th build up for the rematch though right ? Please I'm begging you as soon as its sanctioned come hola.

Look at how much effort you're putting into this hahaha.

Tell me one thing, how's that crow taste?!

I'm looking back over the pages of this thread! You must be completely and utterly wounded! I can sense the SALT, but honesty tell me, how does that glorious crow taste!!!??? Haha.

[deathofaclown]

Lmao this guy man.

Dude who are you again ? Don't answer it, I'm not interested this be our last talking to each other.

I've never seen you post anywhere let alone this thread, just leave you're embarrassing yourself as a wagon climber. Don't beat yourself off over it it is what it is, you hadn't the voice to back your so called man you haven't bothered to support in this thread one iota.

I'll see you in th build up for the rematch though right ? Please I'm begging you as soon as its sanctioned come hola.

Where's my points you owe me?

[The Big Dunn]

Wlad was sluggish. Delay hurt him. Fury fought decent. Deserved win glad to see he wasn't robbed.

Wlad deserves respect for the defense streak. I don't think fury would've beaten a younger Wlad. I don't like Wlad at all but him losing was unexpected.

Looks like fury v wilder is the next big hwt fight.

Fury may get FOTY.

[billeau2]

Seriously, if Vlad fights again he might as well have Vitali in his corner, Banks did fuck all last night about what happened.

Do you think that Banks does most of his work in the gym preparing Vlad? At his stage he probably needs less "solutions", not that a few tips from banks wouldn't have been helpful. Even Stewart really didn't give him many technical points so much as kept him doing the things that he was being succesful doing.

I don't know if i think Banks is a weakness, or not...I can't imagine a trainer who could make Vlad overcome a fighter who moves well in the ring and who knows how to feint, at this point in his career...but that is just an opinion.

[billeau2]

Totally agree. But not many thought that Fury can outbox Wlad from the outside (I didn't either). Now we know he can. So only chance for Wlad is to go all aggression. But that way there is a huge risk of him being KOed.

I don't know should Wlad take the rematch. In the sense he has to, but to go out with TKO/KO loss would be a huge dent on a magnificent career.

Simurgh
If one really thinks about it can one say:

1) Stewart would have MADE Vlad get more aggressive? I don't think so. Many a time Stewart begged Vlad and the only thing he seemed to be able to do is get Vlad to fight safer and grab more.

2) Why do people think Vlad can box? He has never boxed well...he uses his jab very well, he has a great jab in fact. Vlad also has a great punch...but he has never shown boxing skills, people say this and its unexamined. If one looks at how Vlad has been succesful it has not been due to his boxing skills. He has been fighting guys who are stationary targets by and large. Povatkin may be the one exception to this and his movement is strictly olmympic in and out with no angles to speak of.

[Simurgh]

Wlad needs a game changer - someone like Manny was. But it might be too late for that.

If Manny was there last night I guarantee you Wlad would look very different. Not only because Manny knew what needs to be done, but also he would know better what Fury brings.

Look at the tactics for the Haye fight. Tactically pure beauty.

[yoz]

Simurgh
If one really thinks about it can one say:

1) Stewart would have MADE Vlad get more aggressive? I don't think so. Many a time Stewart begged Vlad and the only thing he seemed to be able to do is get Vlad to fight safer and grab more.

2) Why do people think Vlad can box? He has never boxed well...he uses his jab very well, he has a great jab in fact. Vlad also has a great punch...but he has never shown boxing skills, people say this and its unexamined. If one looks at how Vlad has been succesful it has not been due to his boxing skills. He has been fighting guys who are stationary targets by and large. Povatkin may be the one exception to this and his movement is strictly olmympic in and out with no angles to speak of.

Again, what tripe. Since the Sanders and Brewster defeats, Wladimir has been naturally tentative. Everything is set up with the jab. 1, 2, straight right. 1, 2, straight right. If he can't double up, he's reluctant to throw the right.

Ergo, he allowed Fury to knick some of the rounds. It was just like the Brock fight for the first part. His corner should have been on his case to throw more and take a chance. Instead, it was mostly silence; the complete opposite to Fury's corner.

[yoz]

Wlad needs a game changer - someone like Manny was. But it might be too late for that.

If Manny was there last night I guarantee you Wlad would look very different. Not only because Manny knew what needs to be done, but also he would know better what Fury brings.

Look at the tactics for the Haye fight. Tactically pure beauty.

Alas, it's probably is too late for a change. But lets not pretend Wladimir was completely outboxed. The punch stats reveal a lot.

[billeau2]

Wlad needs a game changer - someone like Manny was. But it might be too late for that.

If Manny was there last night I guarantee you Wlad would look very different. Not only because Manny knew what needs to be done, but also he would know better what Fury brings.

Look at the tactics for the Haye fight. Tactically pure beauty.

Haye is such an easy opponent to prepare for. he is an ambush fighter who needs to hit his opponent with his punch percentage wise a certain amount of times to have a chance of a ko. haye could not fight going backwards, could not throw many punches, could not fight inside, and could not move at a safe distance...only at a great distance where he has to leap in to be succesful.

Any trainer could prepare for haye. haye's success is purely a function of how many opportunities he gets at a big punch, facilitated purely by his speed jumping in.