Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

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Who's the sparring partner? Slapping about cab drivers in sparring means nothing.

Exactly, good post. Watch the sparring partner instead of Wlad...LOOK at the movement, the speed of foot, the leaning back and evading; just like Fury! Klitschko GOT DIS!

Said no one ever.

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The Cotto fight attracts more women, it's clear their are more men on the site to women, hence why their is more replies on this thread.

Or the more likely reason, this thread has been around a long time and was created before Cotto-Canelo.

Wladimir might well look a million dollars in sparring, but when the bell rings on fight night, he'll revert to type and attempt to stink up the place as usual.

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Some posters say that Wladimir Klitschko is less multidimensional than Fury. And he is.

I would however point out that he doesn't have only one kind of jab ; one-two; leading right hand ; left hook.

Klitschko has polished his skillset to a the degree of excellency. The way he carries out his punches is, indeed, a lot more multidimensional than what people think.

Don't bee fooled by his style. He doesn't commit until he feels the need to. The Pulev fight is an excellent example : he had a hard dealing with Pulev's jab and he set up a different gameplan just 30 seconds after the beginning of the fight ( and getting rocked by a hard counter 3/4jab-1/4 left hook) and battered Pulev.

Klitschko is more of an adapter than what you think.

I think that when fighting such an unorthodox as Fury is you should first break him down tactically not thinking about the angles he is giving you but you should think of him as a " body mass" that has breaches in its defense and then focus on the angles he is giving you in order to put your punches together.

"3/4 jab-1/4 left hook" LMFAO.

Kill yourself!

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Or the more likely reason, this thread has been around a long time and was created before Cotto-Canelo.

Wladimir might well look a million dollars in sparring, but when the bell rings on fight night, he'll revert to type and attempt to stink up the place as usual.

What is Fury's revert to type default setting ? I could have swore he resorted to cheating to get past pillow fisted Cunningham, does he have another type he reverts to ?

As I was saying about irony.

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Oh sorry, he threw one body punch in 10 years. my mistake

You're amusing but not funny, left unchecked you'd rewrite history, like those deniers of the holocaust.

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What is it that Johnson does that makes him awkward ? He has no offence, you can literally do as you please to him for 36 minutes. I fail to see what is awkward about a punching bag aside from unless you hammer him like you're intent on punching yourself out in a round or two you're not getting him out of there. He has an awkward defence, is that it ? Anybody can shell up for 12 rounds if they are in the least bit durable.

Are we saying Fury did a better number on him ? I don't recall Fury goading him at any point actually attempting to induce him out of his shell, he looked more at ease knowing nothing was coming back, likely the reason he's matched against non punchers. How many rounds did Johnson win versus Fury and how many versus Klitschko ? Fury may have an higher activity than the forty year old Vitali but his punches clearly weren't as troubling to Johnson.

Yeah he has an awkward defense and a solid jab. He's a tricky heavyweight to deal with as we saw with Vitali. He was hardly a punching bag as you describe him then. And no, not everybody can shell up.

Yes, Fury had a more impressive outing against Johnson than Vitali did. Both fighters won every round, but the manner in which Fury out jabbed him and outworked him on the inside and outside was more impressive than Vitali who felt him out for a long time of the fight. In fact, almost the entire fight.

Well, Johnson said Fury punched harder than Vitali so I'm not sure.

But yeah, as we see, you can't really discuss the Klitschko's without getting into uber defense mode, it's like discussing with a woman in all honesty.

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You're amusing but not funny, left unchecked you'd rewrite history, like those deniers of the holocaust.

Because of one punch to the solar plexus?

Mate, you have some serious womanly issues you need to deal with when it comes to the Klitschko brothers. Everybody knows Klitschko isn't a bodypuncher. He was never a good body puncher, but he did use to throw them more about 10 years ago.

Yet, here you are comparing it to the holocaust because you can't stand the thought of your boyhood hero not being completely perfect in every department Which of course he definitely isn't.

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Because of one punch to the solar plexus?

Mate, you have some serious womanly issues you need to deal with when it comes to the Klitschko brothers. Everybody knows Klitschko isn't a bodypuncher. He was never a good body puncher, but he did use to throw them more about 10 years ago.

Yet, here you are comparing it to the holocaust because you can't stand the thought of your boyhood hero not being completely perfect in every department Which of course he definitely isn't.

1 minute and 10 seconds into the 4th round of the Poolev fight, Wlad threw a soft left jab to the chest

Holocaust doe

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LacedUp: You want some sort of signature bet if you're backing Fury to win? Maybe we can work out some other parameter like how long ze fight lasts. Let me know.

I think Klitschko will eventually win on points probably. But I think Fury will go out of the ring with a stock increased and having given Klitschko the best fight he's had in years.

He's looked old in his last couple of fights imo especially Jennings, but also Pulev.

I think Fury will give him trouble, but I'm not convinced he'll win. But I think he could. I don't think it's necessarily a bad stylistic match up for Fury.

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I'd really like to see some evidence of this. You repeat it like a mantra, as if all British fighters are interchangeable and share a common fanbase but based on what? The fact that they're British? Are you even aware of the intense domestic rivalries in this country? Fury vs Haye was an intensely polarising fight and one that few fans had any trouble picking a side to come down on. The fact that both fighters were British was absolutely irrelevant. So why would someone formerly supportive of Haye suddenly have started supporting Fury?

Ironically, if any British fans shifted allegiance in the aftermath of the Haye fight, it was to support Wlad. The number of British posters who now give him his dues has increased markedly since then, while the hatred and ridicule of Fury hasn't really abated, and I doubt ever will.

The semi intelligent ones would have witnessed Wlad fighting for the first time and realised how good in fact Wlad was and how poor Haye really was after blowing their loads having watched him scratch out a MD over Valuev, thus defecting to camp Wlad, it's kinda like glory supporting really, the others would simply have just shifted to the next Brit like David Price for instance when his bubble was burst by pillow fists grandpa Thommo they switched again to Fury, I don't need conclusive proof just follow the pattern, watch who is blowing Fury the hardest in this thread and when he loses you'll see the same familiar faces with a user name change of course for good measure shytin on Klitschko in the Klitschko Joshua threads. It will be amusing to follow, I've seen it on other forums. The fact boxing scene is in my opinion the best one out there will make it all the more funnier.

You say Brit's now give Klitschko their due, of course they do they've witnessed the Klitschko roadshow first hand on sky sports news for the Haye fight, it's just a shame they weren't able to join sooner and maybe they would be that little more understanding to how great a fighter he is and his career has been.

You have a strange definition of the term to beat someone senseless. Johnson was perfectly lucid at the end of the fight because Vitali wasn't able to land anything significant on him the whole night long. He won essentially because he was punching and Johnson was not. Fury's performance on paper looked the same, but he was able to penetrate KJ's defence with a lot more regularity and catch him clean a number of times. He didn't beat him senseless either, but it was a more impressive win for me, even though both fights were technically whitewashes.

The criticism I believe came from the fact that Johnson wasn't considered all that and Vitali was this stone cold killer with a near perfect knockout ratio. The fact that he couldn't get past Johnson's sub-Toney shoulder roll was a big knock on him. Fury was still a comparative novice when he fought Johnson, and didn't have such a weight on his shoulders. Different contexts.

It was more impressive for you, that obviously goes without saying as you're a full on blow hard, tell me how many more rounds did Fury take against Johnson than Vitali did, tell me who in fact actually goaded Johnson in attempt to actually bring him out if his shell, I give you a clue, it was not Fury in fear Johnson would catch his paper thin jaw. When Vitali fought him he really was more of an unknown entity on the world stage, A because he really truly did not belong their, he is an interloper, when Fury fought him everyone in the boxing world knew what he was about, nothing more than a punching bag with an high guard.

The fact Vitali was nearing the end of his career and Fury was only twenty fights in doesn't really mean anything, they're never going to face him again they had thier chances to impress and largely didn't except showcase they can go the distance fighting at a pace of their choosing.

I'd be shocked if a 25 year old did not Outland a 40 year when facing Johnson, I'm falling to see what their is to crow about when Vitali was clearly exciting the crowd with his goading of Johnson and Fury was generally tentative for 36 full minutes ok I suppose it was his first step up but we knew Johnson could not punch or was his limited power sufficient enough to concern Fury and his handler I suspect we're onto something here judging by the way pillow fisted Cunningham shat Fury daft to the point he had to rely on an illegal punch to stop USS.