Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[LacedUp]

I see. Their level of opposition suggests otherwise. Chambers is obviously more experienced and crafty than Fury, and has a better resume. He had close fights with elite opponents like Povetkin and Adamek, and has beaten better names than Fury, who's best win was bullying/elbowing Cunningham into submission, basically. Lol.

I don't think there's much evidence to suggest Chambers would ever beat Fury. He did have a good fight with Povetkin. It wasn't close, but it was a good fight. Povetkin was green- Chambers was at 30 something - 0. There was nothing close about the Adamek fight - Chambers clearly won and was robbed.

But I haven't seen anything ever from Chambers to suggest that he could have ever beaten a Tyson Fury. I also think he's said that himself.

Wlad has his fair share of bullying/wrestling/cheating wins on his record incl Chambers. not sure you want to use that against Fury,

[Elroy1]

I don't think there's much evidence to suggest Chambers would ever beat Fury. He did have a good fight with Povetkin. It wasn't close, but it was a good fight. Povetkin was green- Chambers was at 30 something - 0. There was nothing close about the Adamek fight - Chambers clearly won and was robbed.

But I haven't seen anything ever from Chambers to suggest that he could have ever beaten a Tyson Fury. I also think he's said that himself.

Wlad has his fair share of bullying/wrestling/cheating wins on his record incl Chambers. not sure you want to use that against Fury,

First of all noone claimed there was great evidence that Chambers would beat Fury. However there is even LESS evidence that Fury could beat Chambers!!!

Chambers had not the pop to put opponents away, but he had a chin hard enough to take a Fury beating if he could avoid a constant beating (which he never once got KOed by anyway by the way).

And unsurprisingly, Chambers possessed one of the best defences the HW scene has ever seen also which goes a long way to showing Chambers would atleast survive Fury.

But surviving isn't the same as beating of course so if not power, what other offensive skills does Chamber's bring??

He is massively outranged by Fury! BUT Chambers is also far more agile and possible candidate for being the fastest HW boxer of all time. So if Chambers can use his agility, superior skills and speed to get in and out on Fury and do it well most of the night, he could definitely have him beat.

Chambers vs Fury would be a good fight!

Back to the MAIN topic of Weltsch's now, what was put forward was slightly different than the one that you interpreted, in that a win over Chambers could be viewed as more important than a win over Fury because Chambers was a far more proven fighter against a much better level of opposition than Fury has had!

[Elroy1]

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Wladimir ducked Corrie Sanders.

We've been here before.

Anybody who subscribes to the notion that the reason the Sanders/Klitschko rematch never occurred because Wladimir "ducked" him falls squarely into the realm of "Old Time Nut Baggery!"

Circumstance played the role there not cowardice.

It took Lennox much time and fights to avenge his McCall defeat and it took your love child Muhammad Ali even longer and more fights to avenge his Frazier defeat.

Neither Wladimir, LEnnox OR Ali were cowards, business/politics was the factor.

In the case of Wlad and Sanders any cursory research effort reveals the truth.

Sanders chose voluntarily to drop his belt rather than defend it so that he could instead fight Vitali Klitschko and become the first person in history (which still has never been done) to defeat both Klitschko's whilst Wladimir had time off to rebuild and then commenced rechasing the titles. Obviously things went haywire for both Corrie AND Klitshko for a time after that and by the time it would have been possible, Klitschko had further problems (like Brewster) and Corrie had become irrelevant and then retired.

I expect never to hear of this matter again!!

I would also like to address your Chambers and Thompson knock. Chambers and Thompson DEFINITELY fall into the possibly better than Fury candidates.

I'm not even knocking Fury here but really it is difficult to rank which ones were better than others.

Even if Fury was really really that good, he STILL might be struggling to crack a top 10 Wlad opponent.

There is no other boxer in history who has beaten that many high quality opponents!! (At HW). Not even Lennox Lewis!

[LacedUp]

First of all noone claimed there was great evidence that Chambers would beat Fury. However there is even LESS evidence that Fury could beat Chambers!!!

Chambers had not the pop to put opponents away, but he had a chin hard enough to take a Fury beating if he could avoid a constant beating (which he never once got KOed by anyway by the way).

And unsurprisingly, Chambers possessed one of the best defences the HW scene has ever seen also which goes a long way to showing Chambers would atleast survive Fury.

But surviving isn't the same as beating of course so if not power, what other offensive skills does Chamber's bring??

He is massively outranged by Fury! BUT Chambers is also far more agile and possible candidate for being the fastest HW boxer of all time. So if Chambers can use his agility, superior skills and speed to get in and out on Fury and do it well most of the night, he could definitely have him beat.

Chambers vs Fury would be a good fight!

Back to the MAIN topic of Weltsch's now, what was put forward was slightly different than the one that you interpreted, in that a win over Chambers could be viewed as more important than a win over Fury because Chambers was a far more proven fighter against a much better level of opposition than Fury has had!

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Fury could beat Eddie Chambers. He's beaten up on 6' - 6'3 guys with ease for his whole career. People who have had speed, who have been rugged, who have had a bit of power, who could box. Also he's simply just better imo and a lot bigger.

Fury would have likely beaten Chambers over 12 if they fought. I simply can't see any possible scenario where Chambers could ever beat Fury. The intangibles are all in Fury's favour.

With regards to the last bit, that can certainly be viewed. But I believe Chambers had already tasted defeat once or twice when he fought Wlad and had lost won some very close fights against opposition far worse than Wlad.

But did Chambers have better wins than Fury at this point? Yes. Derrick Rossy, Sam Peter, Calvin Brock, Dimitrenko.. Comparable, but better than Fury's resume.

[LacedUp]

We've been here before.

Anybody who subscribes to the notion that the reason the Sanders/Klitschko rematch never occurred because Wladimir "ducked" him falls squarely into the realm of "Old Time Nut Baggery!"

Circumstance played the role there not cowardice.

It took Lennox much time and fights to avenge his McCall defeat and it took your love child Muhammad Ali even longer and more fights to avenge his Frazier defeat.

Neither Wladimir, LEnnox OR Ali were cowards, business/politics was the factor.

In the case of Wlad and Sanders any cursory research effort reveals the truth.

Sanders chose voluntarily to drop his belt rather than defend it so that he could instead fight Vitali Klitschko and become the first person in history (which still has never been done) to defeat both Klitschko's whilst Wladimir had time off to rebuild and then commenced rechasing the titles. Obviously things went haywire for both Corrie AND Klitshko for a time after that and by the time it would have been possible, Klitschko had further problems (like Brewster) and Corrie had become irrelevant and then retired.

I expect never to hear of this matter again!!

I would also like to address your Chambers and Thompson knock. Chambers and Thompson DEFINITELY fall into the possibly better than Fury candidates.

I'm not even knocking Fury here but really it is difficult to rank which ones were better than others.

Even if Fury was really really that good, he STILL might be struggling to crack a top 10 Wlad opponent.

There is no other boxer in history who has beaten that many high quality opponents!! (At HW). Not even Lennox Lewis!

Well in those scenarios, the fighters in question Ali/Lewis immediately sought the rematch. It was the opposing fighter, in this case Frazier and McCall, who made other plans.

Words from Corrie Sanders: “Yes, it would be nice to fight him [Wladimir] again. I do not know why he never wanted a rematch.”

I'm not claiming it was cowardice. Wlad was iced in two rounds. I fully understand that he wanted to rebuild and work on some stuff. But the rematch was there, and he opted not to take it. Vitali probably trumped it too, I remember something about him saying straight after that he wanted Sanders to fight him.

Fury has a better resume than Tony Thompson. That's for one. TT is as average as they get. I have seen TT live TWICE and I can tell you it was twice too many times (incl the second Wladimir fight). There's absolutely no doubt that Fury would beat this man now or at any point in his career. Completely different level of fighter.

Fury is of course a top 10 win for Wlad should he win. Saying anything else would be completely ridiculous.

[STAX ON DECK]

is fury from brit land??

[Elroy1]

Tony Thompson iced Price- who at one stage was deemed to be the same level as Fury.

All Fury has done to prove otherwise is beat up on Chisora!

Thompson's record is approximately 5x better quality than that of Tyson Fury.

Just pull it up. Note the losses to Pulev and Takam were DECISION losses and also rather close fights at that!!

In fact, only Klitschko has DECISIVELY defeated him!!

Tony Thompson is a prime candidate for the best HW boxer in history never to win a HW title, basically unzipping his fly and taking a long hard piss on your beloved Ron Lyle!! Which brings up another point that the only reason you support Fury is that he is basically a giant Irish Ali clone! (Except with an obviously better defense).

Thompson is far more technically correct and sharp than scrappy Fury.

As you've said in the prior post which contained a lot of ground giving by the way (credit where it's due), one of your main reasons for promoting Fury is his size.

That was against Chambers. Against Thompson he would not enjoy that much of a size advantage at all.

[Burt Saxby]

I see. Their level of opposition suggests otherwise. Chambers is obviously more experienced and crafty than Fury, and has a better resume. He had close fights with elite opponents like Povetkin and Adamek, and has beaten better names than Fury, who's best win was bullying/elbowing Cunningham into submission, basically. Lol.

Chambers got shut completely out by Fury every time they sparred. He admitted this himself.
You're in here claiming to know more about Chambers than Chambers knows about himself.
Highlighting Chambers credentials like that just makes Fury look better.

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

[Weltschmerz]

Chambers got shut completely out by Fury every time they sparred. He admitted this himself.
You're in here claiming to know more about Chambers than Chambers knows about himself.
Highlighting Chambers credentials like that just makes Fury look better.

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

Well that makes Fury an excellent name on Vlad's resume then, so win-win.

[Burt Saxby]

We've been here before.

Anybody who subscribes to the notion that the reason the Sanders/Klitschko rematch never occurred because Wladimir "ducked" him falls squarely into the realm of "Old Time Nut Baggery!"

Circumstance played the role there not cowardice.

It took Lennox much time and fights to avenge his McCall defeat and it took your love child Muhammad Ali even longer and more fights to avenge his Frazier defeat.

Wlad v Sanders is comparable to Lewis- Rahamn. . Not Lewis - MaCall.

Wlad v Purrity is Lewis v Macall

Lewis had the same number of professional fights. Except MaCall is an ATG compared to Purrity. Lewis went on to beat MaCall. Vitali beat Purrity for Wlad.

Wlad had more fights and more experience than Lewis when he got battered in two rounds by a semi retired, faded Sanders.

Rahman was prime and had already knocked out a much better version of Sanders when he beat Lewis.

Lewis immediately rematched Rahman.

Vitali stepped in for Wlad again to beat the worst , fattest , oldest version of Sanders.