Comments Thread For: Canelo-Lara Not a Bad Decision: Post Report Card

[CubanGuyNYC]

Another great article by Cliff Rold.

From the very beginning, I didn't see what was so special about Lara. Sure, he was good, but was he really that good? Of the three best Cuban fighters that have defected in recent years, Landy ranks at number three, behind Rigo and Gamboa. Lara is also the least entertaining to watch. Some people call Rigo boring, but he's a master boxer with sublime skills. Yuri, while flawed, at his best, is electrifying. Even while being KOed against a much larger man, Gamboa delivered on the thrills. Lara is like watching "Groundhog Day," the same thing over and over. That in itself might not be so bad, but Landy is just way too inactive. So it's like the old ***ish joke about the bad restaurant, "The food here is terrible...and such small portions, too."

[MDPopescu]

Sure Canelo was aggressive but it was ineffective aggression and very inaccurate

... which was pretty apparent...

[CubanGuyNYC]

look at the polls dude, you are in the minority, the general opinion is that the fight was close, if you cant see that you dont know boxing, and if you know boxing you should know that there is no room for words like robbery or gift in a close fight...

There's a lot wrong with this post, man. For starters, being in the minority doesn't make you wrong. In fact, the minority is often right. And you don't believe that a close fight can be decided by a corrupt official? That's when you need him most! If a competent, fair judge replaced that Martinez guy, the outcome of this fight might've been quite different. It might've been the same; but, judging from how close most everyone thinks this fight was, another official might easily have given the deciding vote to Lara.

[-PBP-]

I scored for Lara and I stand by my score card. I thought he should have had his hand raised and put on an excellent performance. I think it sucks that he has to do twice as much to get half as far. The 117-111 card was a disgrace and shows he was not getting a fair shake in this fight no matter what happened.

BUT, I'm not screaming robbery. 115-113 Canelo is perfectly acceptable although i disagree. Lara has 2 controversial losses and 2 controversial draws so he needs to get it in his head that whatever he is doing is not enough. I fear he will have a bogus draw against fighters like Ishe Smith because he seems content to do as little as possible to win and trust in the judges.

Great boxers make you pay for your misses. When you're in the ring with an elite boxer, you second guess swinging wildly because you know a sharp counter is coming in return. This is what separates Ward, Mayweather , Hopkins, Rigo, etc from Lara. Lara moves away from punches that have no chance in hell at landing on him. With the way he was making Canelo miss, just think about how much damage he could of inflicted if he stood his ground and threw some counters.

Luckily for Lara, he still holds a world title and he performed well enough to stay among the best at 154. But he will always be a talented fighter that could never get over the hump unless he makes changes to his game.

[icha]

There's a lot wrong with this post, man. For starters, being in the minority doesn't make you wrong. In fact, the minority is often right. And you don't believe that a close fight can be decided by a corrupt official? That's when you need him most! If a competent, fair judge replaced that Martinez guy, the outcome of this fight might've been quite different. It might've been the same; but, judging from how close most everyone thinks this fight was, another official might easily have given the deciding vote to Lara.

even know those polls have canelo as the winner, im using those polls to let the other poster know that this wasnt a one sided fight but a close fight, thats the one thing you can deny , thats a fact coming clear of the polls , you wouldnt agree with that??
there was only 3 clear rounds for each fighter, the other 6 were close, that one judge i dont agree with him at all, he didnt give lara a single close round... and i feel like that was biased, but to affirm that de la hoya bought that judge i cant go that far... and i stay with my comment, the fight was close with a fair outcome that could have gone either way... 1 bad judge doesnt make this a robbery unless the outcome was unfair... two judges had the fight really close, lara needed just a lil bit more offense to win a couple of close rounds regardless of that one judge, he just didnt want it...

[CubanGuyNYC]

I scored for Lara and I stand by my score card. I thought he should have had his hand raised and put on an excellent performance. I think it sucks that he has to do twice as much to get half as far. The 117-111 card was a disgrace and shows he was not getting a fair shake in this fight no matter what happened.

BUT, I'm not screaming robbery. 115-113 Canelo is perfectly acceptable although i disagree. Lara has 2 controversial losses and 2 controversial draws so he needs to get it in his head that whatever he is doing is not enough. I fear he will have a bogus draw against fighters like Ishe Smith because he seems content to do as little as possible to win and trust in the judges.

Great boxers make you pay for your misses. When you're in the ring with an elite boxer, you second guess swinging wildly because you know a sharp counter is coming in return. This is what separates Ward, Mayweather , Hopkins, Rigo, etc from Lara. Lara moves away from punches that have no chance in hell at landing on him. With the way he was making Canelo miss, just think about how much damage he could of inflicted if he stood his ground and threw some counters.

Luckily for Lara, he still holds a world title and he performed well enough to stay among the best at 154. But he will always be a talented fighter that could never get over the hump unless he makes changes to his game.

Great post, bro. I agree on every point.

Landy will always be vulnerable to losing close fights with his approach. Sadly, the guy isn't likely to ever change. At least, not enough. Lara is 31 years old. He has hundreds of fights where he's evolved into the fighter he is today. The habits developed over that time are difficult to undo. Landy will continue to have success because he's better than most guys in his division. But, as you suggested, he probably won't get over the hump. That Canelo fight will be remembered, fairly or not, as a stinker -- a stinker because of Lara. That will follow him, and another big-money payday might never come his way again. At least he had his chance.

[-PBP-]

even know those polls have canelo as the winner, im using those polls to let the other poster know that this wasnt a one sided fight but a close fight, thats the one thing you can deny , thats a fact coming clear of the polls , you wouldnt agree with that??
there was only 3 clear rounds for each fighter, the other 6 were close, that one judge i dont agree with him at all, he didnt give lara a single close round... and i feel like that was biased, but to affirm that de la hoya bought that judge i cant go that far... and i stay with my comment, the fight was close with a fair outcome that could have gone either way... 1 bad judge doesnt make this a robbery unless the outcome was unfair... two judges had the fight really close, lara needed just a lil bit more offense to win a couple of close rounds regardless of that one judge, he just didnt want it...

Not a robbery but a raw deal. Canelo is a great fighter. You can't beat him 118-110. There is only 1 Money May. When you only have 2 judges scoring the fight fairly you are at a handicap.

Going by the press scores, there was a 33 percent chance that he would have given Lara the nod, a 39% chance for Canelo and a 28% chance it would have been a draw. I have no problem with the decision but downplaying the role that bogus card played is being nothing short of delusional.

[IIG]

Good write up. I want to see where Canelo goes from here, and I couldn't care less if I see Lara in the ring again.

[CubanGuyNYC]

even know those polls have canelo as the winner, im using those polls to let the other poster know that this wasnt a one sided fight but a close fight, thats the one thing you can deny , thats a fact coming clear of the polls , you wouldnt agree with that??

I certainly agree with that, but you needed to make that clear. Your original post suggests that the crowd is automatically correct, "might makes right."

there was only 3 clear rounds for each fighter, the other 6 were close, that one judge i dont agree with him at all, he didnt give lara a single close round... and i feel like that was biased, but to affirm that de la hoya bought that judge i cant go that far... and i stay with my comment, the fight was close with a fair outcome that could have gone either way... 1 bad judge doesnt make this a robbery unless the outcome was unfair... two judges had the fight really close, lara needed just a lil bit more offense to win a couple of close rounds regardless of that one judge, he just didnt want it...

I agree with much of this. I don't know if that judge was bought or simply incompetent. We agree he did a poor job, and that's enough. My point was, that "judge" was the deciding factor. If he had been replaced by a competent official, the odds are almost 50% that the fight would've been either a draw or a win for Lara. (Using the Boxingscene poll as an example.) The issue here is, Lara didn't get a fair shake.

[Respect Power]

I scored for Lara and I stand by my score card. I thought he should have had his hand raised and put on an excellent performance. I think it sucks that he has to do twice as much to get half as far. The 117-111 card was a disgrace and shows he was not getting a fair shake in this fight no matter what happened.

BUT, I'm not screaming robbery. 115-113 Canelo is perfectly acceptable although i disagree. Lara has 2 controversial losses and 2 controversial draws so he needs to get it in his head that whatever he is doing is not enough. I fear he will have a bogus draw against fighters like Ishe Smith because he seems content to do as little as possible to win and trust in the judges.

Great boxers make you pay for your misses. When you're in the ring with an elite boxer, you second guess swinging wildly because you know a sharp counter is coming in return. This is what separates Ward, Mayweather , Hopkins, Rigo, etc from Lara. Lara moves away from punches that have no chance in hell at landing on him. With the way he was making Canelo miss, just think about how much damage he could of inflicted if he stood his ground and threw some counters.

Luckily for Lara, he still holds a world title and he performed well enough to stay among the best at 154. But he will always be a talented fighter that could never get over the hump unless he makes changes to his game.

Great post, bro. I agree on every point.

Landy will always be vulnerable to losing close fights with his approach. Sadly, the guy isn't likely to ever change. At least, not enough. Lara is 31 years old. He has hundreds of fights where he's evolved into the fighter he is today. The habits developed over that time are difficult to undo. Landy will continue to have success because he's better than most guys in his division. But, as you suggested, he probably won't get over the hump. That Canelo fight will be remembered, fairly or not, as a stinker -- a stinker because of Lara. That will follow him, and another big-money payday might never come his way again. At least he had his chance.

Great posts .... Completely agree