Comments Thread For: Mayweather: I Wanted To Give The Fans What They Want

[luisivich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLHnhtElVXI

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...yweather-fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWw-FUSMy6E

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

Holla back if you need some more schooling!

[QUOTE=Bronx2245;14745363]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLHnhtElVXI
thanks for the links. that video just confirmed what i had said " that they had negotiated for the cut-off date and pacs wanted 3 weeks.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...yweather-fight
that is the negotiation before floyd goes to jail and where floyd called out manny in a social media a week before. look at my avatar, pacquiao sent an emissary to floyd's gym to discuss the fight. but when floyd was confronted of something that just got real " he said that he is not thinking about boxing at those particular time"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWw-FUSMy6E
that was after ariza kick roach at the chest. you're reaching if you use that as evidence of manny's steroid use

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe
"Bob Arum Called Out for Lying by Top Rank Insider" this is the title. who is the insider? please post the article because its blank.

again please put forward some related links or information from what i had posted. no blank article please.

[Det. Conan]

C'mon! Fans knows that Floyd will adjust this time & he will do what he do best. Pot shot & Duck. Move, move & move. This time, he'l run his money. In reality, vast majority of fans "want" Mayweather/Pac or Mayweather/GGG. That posses threat to his "0"

[Bronx2245]

its arum who said all that. look at my avatar, that picture was taken on the same arc of the story that you mentioned. mayweather had said himself that koncz went to floyds gym to say that arum is not the one they need to negotiate with.
but unfortunately mayweather's reply is he is not thinking about boxing at those particular time but a week ago he called out pacquiao out on a social media.
if action is bigger than words then look at my avatar.

Didn't Koncz recently state Manny wasn't fighting Chris Algeri? But now Algeri has an offer sheet to fight him from Bob Arum. Koncz has no credibility whatsoever! So did you check out the links you asked for: the video where Manny stated on ESPN, that he can't do blood test 30 days out because he's in training. How about Freddie stating Ariza was giving Manny "shakes" and wouldn't tell him what was in it, and that's why he fired him? And the article where Arum flip-flopped about fighting in May, then June? There are more where that came from, you just let me know how many links you need. And next time you reply to me, please do the same: provide links!

[Bronx2245]

[QUOTE=luisivich;14745433]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLHnhtElVXI
thanks for the links. that video just confirmed what i had said " that they had negotiated for the cut-off date and pacs wanted 3 weeks.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...yweather-fight
that is the negotiation before floyd goes to jail and where floyd called out manny in a social media a week before. look at my avatar, pacquiao sent an emissary to floyd's gym to discuss the fight. but when floyd was confronted of something that just got real " he said that he is not thinking about boxing at those particular time"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWw-FUSMy6E
that was after ariza kick roach at the chest. you're reaching if you use that as evidence of manny's steroid use

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe
"Bob Arum Called Out for Lying by Top Rank Insider" this is the title. who is the insider? please post the article because its blank.

again please put forward some related links or information from what i had posted. no blank article please.

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

[luisivich]

Didn't Koncz recently state Manny wasn't fighting Chris Algeri? But now Algeri has an offer sheet to fight him from Bob Arum. Koncz has no credibility whatsoever! So did you check out the links you asked for: the video where Manny stated on ESPN, that he can't do blood test 30 days out because he's in training. How about Freddie stating Ariza was giving Manny "shakes" and wouldn't tell him what was in it, and that's why he fired him? And the article where Arum flip-flopped about fighting in May, then June? There are more where that came from, you just let me know how many links you need. And next time you reply to me, please do the same: provide links!

i wonder if you really had watch or read the links you gave me. or just read them titles.
first link: thanks for confirming there is a cut off date. if you watch the video the reporter ask manny if 15 days cut off date is acceptable. it is a question within the premise that manny is asking for a 3 weeks cut off date.
the other links is unrelated to the arguments.

koncz said that they wont be fighting algeire. im sure they had offered various boxers for the fight. they could have runned out of options(speculation)

changing ones mind on who to fight 5 months from now, where no contract has ever been signed is not a big thing where you could lose your credibility

[luisivich]

[QUOTE=Bronx2245;14745462]

Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.

Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.

He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley.

Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.

The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.

Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.

Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."

Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.

Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

Golden Boy? Well Marley claims that there quite literally was a gag order. It's just the fact that the negotiations ended after about two days. You can tell when the fight fell through. Arum started talking to the media twice a day!

Marley claims that Golden Boy's position with Arum is to just let him talk, and not justify his claims with replies, safe in the knowledge that most of the sport world knows he talks out of his behind.

Arum could well find himself in a tough position, however. Dan Raphael reported that Ellerbe is not only one of the most honest guys in boxing, he's also been speaking to Greenberg regularly for weeks. These daily conversations have reportedly gone on after his claim that basically either Greenberg or Arum is a stone cold liar.

Which suggests to most that Greenberg agrees with his pronouncement.

Again, Marley is a Top Rank guy, and a noted Pacquiao backer. He reported that Arum's claims of "negotiations" and "agreements" were phony, days before any Mayweather person made any comment.

Mayweather's guy's wording is probably a bit controversial, and not 100 percent true, but both Marley and Ellebre are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Arum completely and utterly exaggerated all claims of "agreements," "deals," "contracts," and "negotiations."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...before-ellerbe

i think that was the second negotiation that was done through an intermediary. team mayweather says no negotiation, greenburg says there are talks. its a negotiation that's dead from the very start because according to team floyd there are no negotiation. its on the same arc that dela hoya has given an interview to an mexican american talk show host that the fight deal is nearly "get done"

[Bronx2245]

[QUOTE=luisivich;14745501]

i think that was the second negotiation that was done through an intermediary. team mayweather says no negotiation, greenburg says there are talks. its a negotiation that's dead from the very start because according to team floyd there are no negotiation. its on the same arc that dela hoya has given an interview to an amexican american talk show host that the fight deal is nearly "get done"

You have a ton of excuses and no references! Not a good way to present a rebuttal at all.

[DeadLikeMe]

You have a ton of excuses and no references! Not a good way to present a rebuttal at all.

They're ptards...they just make **** up, get proven wrong, then go to a different thread and start posting the same thing. You might as well have a boxing debate with your dog, he's seen more fighters anyway.

If they had facts on their side they wouldn't need to spend all day making crappy threads and being in any thread vaguely related to their hero Floyd.

[luisivich]

[QUOTE=Bronx2245;14745509]

You have a ton of excuses and no references! Not a good way to present a rebuttal at all.

first of all i actually read the link you gave. according to your link
greenburg is an intermediary= true
team mayweather denied that negotiation occur= true
greenburgs says there are talks= true

you are my references actually- i mean the link that you had given is my reference.

[Bronx2245]

i wonder if you really had watch or read the links you gave me. or just read them titles.
first link: thanks for confirming there is a cut off date. if you watch the video the reporter ask manny if 15 days cut off date is acceptable. it is a question within the premise that manny is asking for a 3 weeks cut off date.
the other links is unrelated to the arguments.

koncz said that they wont be fighting algeire. im sure they had offered various boxers for the fight. they could have runned out of options(speculation)

changing ones mind on who to fight 5 months from now, where no contract has ever been signed is not a big thing where you could lose your credibility

Didn't you hear Manny say he couldn't do 15 days before the fight because of heavy training? Why would he need 3 weeks without testing? And you know his initial response was no blood testing at all. He blames his loss to Morales on blood testing on the day of the fight. THE DAY OF THE FIGHT WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY REHYDRATED! We're not talking about donating blood, this is a test w/ a simple vacutainer tube! You keep defending Manny all you want, and the other links have a lot of relevance. I'm gonna give you one last link because i'm on the east coast of the U.S.

Earlier this week, Arum said he wasn't planning on Mayweather being available for a late-spring bout, and was going to discuss possible fights against Timothy Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Lamont Peterson or Miguel Cotto with Pacquiao.

Now the discussion has changed.

"May 5 is out for us, it can't happen, because we want to explore the idea of getting a [temporary] stadium/arena up on the streets of Las Vegas that can seat 40,000," Arum said. "The end of May is a possibility."

Arum said he's intent to explore the idea of the larger outdoor venue because "having the fight in a 40,000-seat arena rather than a 16,000-seat arena seems like a no-brainer."

Additionally, Arum said Pacquiao is still healing from a deep cut over one of his eyes that he sustained in the Marquez fight.

"I don't know that he's on schedule to start sparring until the beginning of April," Arum said. "That's one of the things we'll discuss. If it is early April, we'll have to have the fight in late May."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...ao-boxing.html

**** it, one more for 'ol times sake:

http://www.*************.com/columns...ainst-whoever/

Good Night!