Is Al Haymon overrated?

[La_Vibora]

I give Al Haymon credit for getting his fighters top dollar for weak fights, but outside of that I am not impressed with his abilities as an advisor. He over protects his fighters and doesn't help them in taking that next step to that next level. He has has three extremely talented guys that he ruined imo in Broner, Russell Jr, Quillin, and soon to be Wilder imo because he keeps stacking them against D level fights over and over again. Then when he gets them in with a B+ or higher, their lack of dvelopment gets exposed. While this hasn't happened to Quillin, at the rate heis going, it is going to happen. He has been in decline the last few fights, probably largely due to getting bored of fighting bums maybe, but if he fights one of the elite at MW, I will have to pick the other guy. They should have had him fighting against some of the guys that Martinez had beat like Macklin, Barker, Dzinziruk, etc to get him ready for the best in that class. The same with Wilder who hasn't fought anyone.

I think Haymon is good for the already established/ developed top guys like Floyd. I hope the young prospects stay away from him until they have been properly established by beating top guys. If they do go to Al, I think it might be best for the fighter to actually sign to the promotional company and then have them bring the fighter along while Al just negotiates the fights or something. As much as I dislike Arum, he usually does a good job with bringing his fighters along(minus Gamboa who I thought he screwed over).

[Outwest Exp 355]

It's on the fighter to perform no matter who he's fighting. Do you blame GBP for Mares getting knocked out?

[bigsmoothh]

he is the reason why many people are losing interest in the sport of boxing. Why cant everybody see the truth?

[bigsmoothh]

It's on the fighter to perform no matter who he's fighting. Do you blame GBP for Mares getting knocked out?

who do you blame for making garcia Vs salka?

[Rip Chudd]

he is the reason why many people are losing interest in the sport of boxing. Why cant everybody see the truth?

Haha man please, Haymon is an advisor. He isn't the one paying the fighters, promoting the fights and putting it on tv. Everyone is to blame not just one man. Why can't everybody see it's not just him?

[I Hate Thugs!]

It's on the fighter to perform no matter who he's fighting. Do you blame GBP for Mares getting knocked out?

I think you are missing the T/S's point. Of course that it's on the fighter to perform, but when his "adviser" is advising him to fight nothing but bums for the better part of his young career, and then abruptly matches him up with semi-decent/decent fighter, he chokes because he is so used to fighting soft touches per the advisement of Haymon.

Take Cotto for example, he was matched steadily with a variety of different styles and gradually upped his level of competition and competed on even terms with pretty solid competition as result (in conjunction with decent skills of course). Whoever was advising him was good adviser. Even the example you gave (Mares) was matched properly, he just got caught against a monstrous puncher.

Haymon is not a good adviser, he's just a good con-man.

[Kagami Taiga]

Haha man please, Haymon is an advisor. He isn't the one paying the fighters, promoting the fights and putting it on tv. Everyone is to blame not just one man. Why can't everybody see it's not just him?

Exactly. It's cool not to like haymon but yet, he's not the only one responsible for the state of boxing. To put it all on him is ******ity.

[La_Vibora]

Haha man please, Haymon is an advisor. He isn't the one paying the fighters, promoting the fights and putting it on tv. Everyone is to blame not just one man. Why can't everybody see it's not just him?

Funny how the non-Haymon fighters at Golden Boy don't have this problem

[La_Vibora]

It's on the fighter to perform no matter who he's fighting. Do you blame GBP for Mares getting knocked out?

Of course not, styles make fights, thats different. Mares beat better fighters than the fighters I named in the OP.

[shadow-boxer]

I give Al Haymon credit for getting his fighters top dollar for weak fights, but outside of that I am not impressed with his abilities as an advisor. He over protects his fighters and doesn't help them in taking that next step to that next level. He has has three extremely talented guys that he ruined imo in Broner, Russell Jr, Quillin, and soon to be Wilder imo because he keeps stacking them against D level fights over and over again. Then when he gets them in with a B+ or higher, their lack of dvelopment gets exposed. While this hasn't happened to Quillin, at the rate heis going, it is going to happen. He has been in decline the last few fights, probably largely due to getting bored of fighting bums maybe, but if he fights one of the elite at MW, I will have to pick the other guy. They should have had him fighting against some of the guys that Martinez had beat like Macklin, Barker, Dzinziruk, etc to get him ready for the best in that class. The same with Wilder who hasn't fought anyone.

I think Haymon is good for the already established/ developed top guys like Floyd. I hope the young prospects stay away from him until they have been properly established by beating top guys. If they do go to Al, I think it might be best for the fighter to actually sign to the promotional company and then have them bring the fighter along while Al just negotiates the fights or something. As much as I dislike Arum, he usually does a good job with bringing his fighters along(minus Gamboa who I thought he screwed over).

Nobody is over rating him except you and now you bash him for being over rated? It's not his fault. Why not bash instead that idiot who is over rating him?