If HWs today are so much better because of size than...

[Wesker115]

Ok, so I was bored at work and decided that I'm going to calculate the average height of the top fighters in the division.

I decided to base this on f1ght.news.com's top 16 ranked fighters, it was like the first link I found, so what the hey, I'm sure it's not too wrong, after all, Leapai isn't in there...

The data was bimodal, ie. there were two mode averages, ie. the most common heights present amongst these fighters. These values were 6ft 1.5 and 6ft 2.

The median value, ie. the middle value if we arrange the fighters in height order from shortest to tallest, was 6 ft 2.75.

The mean average was the highest, this came to 6ft 3.5 inches. Now, i believe this value was higher due to the outliers ie. Wlad at 6ft 7, Fury at 6ft 9 and Wilder at 6ft 7. These 3 fighters being so much taller than their counterparts threw off the mean. Take them away and as we have seen with the mode and median, the average height for a fighter in the heavyweight division drops.

So, there we go. The top fighters average out at between 6ft 1 to 6ft 3.5.
So much for anyone saying that it's "giants" running the show....

[Public_Enemy]

Ok, so I was bored at work and decided that I'm going to calculate the average height of the top fighters in the division.

I decided to base this on f1ght.news.com's top 16 ranked fighters, it was like the first link I found, so what the hey, I'm sure it's not too wrong, after all, Leapai isn't in there...

The data was bimodal, ie. there were two mode averages, ie. the most common heights present amongst these fighters. These values were 6ft 1.5 and 6ft 2.

The median value, ie. the middle value if we arrange the fighters in height order from shortest to tallest, was 6 ft 2.75.

The mean average was the highest, this came to 6ft 3.5 inches. Now, i believe this value was higher due to the outliers ie. Wlad at 6ft 7, Fury at 6ft 9 and Wilder at 6ft 7. These 3 fighters being so much taller than their counterparts threw off the mean. Take them away and as we have seen with the mode and median, the average height for a fighter in the heavyweight division drops.

So, there we go. The top fighters average out at between 6ft 1 to 6ft 3.5.
So much for anyone saying that it's "giants" running the show....

I did something similar. I just researched most of the HW's in the top 15 on boxrec.

According to boxrec:

Perez 6"1
Jennings 6"2
Cunningham 6"3
Solis 6"2
Adamek 6"2
Chisora 6"2
Povetkin 6"2
Takam 6"3
Stiverne 6"2
Glaskov 6"3

I rounded up on a lot of these as well. A lot of these fighters were 6"1 1/2.

[Black Barty]

...how come so many cruiserweights and 200 pound guys are among the best at HW during Wlad's reign?

Chris Byrd was a 200 pounder and he is Wlad's best win.

Wlad's second best win, David Haye, was a cruiserweight that became the 2nd best HW almost the moment he walked into the division.

James Toney was boxing obese at HW and he beat Holyfield, Ruiz, and Peter.

Roy Jones Jr. weighed in at 193 and beat Ruiz better than most HWs ever did.

Marco Huck is a cruiserweight and a lot of people think he beat Povetkin, one of Wlad's best wins.

Tomasz Adamek was a past prime cruiserweight and he beat top 10 HWs after moving up.

Steve Cunningham is a cruiserweight and he floored Fury and beat Monsour, who people were hyping. He also beat Adamek.

Eddie Chambers was huge at 220, and his best around 210.

If all these supposed 240 pound monsters are so much better, why are they losing to all the guys just as small as fighters in inferior eras?

Agreed, but what are you trying to prove? Every knowledgeable boxing fan knows that size isn't everything, even at HW. You are knocking on open doors here.

[Elroy1]

yes its legit because he made vitali quit, and i know he's not that good. that's why its sad that he is wlad's best win. you seem to be basing your "who's good" off of the eye test. yeah haye is fast and has power but what did he do at heavy? barely beat valuev? povetkin has done nothing as well. you mentioned a completely shot rahman? why...

Rahman was a very strong HW, huge power, I don't consider him completely shot.

He never made VK quit, I seen the fight, VK was beating him the whole time, he never made a scratch on VK and could although he didn't know it, could have won without throwing another punch. He tore his shoulder really bad if I remember rightly.

Well you can choose not to trust your eyesight but I definitely trust mine.

And I never said Byrd was not a good boxer, he just wasn't a dangerous fighter.

2 key words are, he had no chance of causing an upset,

And could never stylistically beat WK under any circumstances.

Both are pure facts. Calling Byrd the best win in light of this in order to trash his other opponents falls squarely in the realm of nutbaggery.

[Elroy1]

And they always ignore the fact that a man in fighting shape over 175 is capable of taking ANY man out. Weight differentials matter less and less the further up the scale you go.

At flyweight, giving away 10lbs, say 112 to 122, is a big deal.

185 to 195 is way less of a problem. It's still an advantage if Both guys are fit, but it matters a whole lot less.

Jack Dempsey beat the living fck out of Jess Willard ffs. 6"1 185 lbs bouncing 6"6 245lbs off the canvas like a basketball, breaking his face in numerous places.

That could never happen between two fighters at say, 130 and 190. It would be borderline impossible.

Anybody who knows boxing history knows Williard was a shocking boxer with no skills and Dempsey was basically a manufactured champion, his career all smoke and mirrors.

If 175lb men were REALLY good at KOing the big guys then where are they?

Whoever said size is what makes the K's or modern boxers great? Certainly not me, that's an invention from nutbags because they can't read properly.

None of these points are true or make sense!

[Poet682006]

I think it's about time Elroy's carer took his laptop away the things this guy say make him seem like a troll, but the amount of effort and writing behind them are it seem like the guy truly believes this ****. Either way he's given everyone plenty of entertainment but now it's time that everyone just stops replying to this nutcase so he fades away. As ray corso said he's making this forum a lot worse with his bs cluttering the place up.

That's why he's been banned repeatedly in the past. This is just his latest alt.

[yoz]

I can't help but agree with some of the OP's points.

Haye did, indeed, become the fans' 'no.2.' ranked HW the moment he moved up. It probably had something to do with the closeted career of Povetkin, and the fact that Vitali and Wladimir had cleaned out most of the division.

[Elroy1]

That's why he's been banned repeatedly in the past. This is just his latest alt.

False.

But aw... Don't be like that princess lol

I like it how you always drop in for a 1 liner snide remark but never actually have anything what I like to call "counterfactual" to offer.

What do you think, OP claims that superheavies are no good because the little boxers are able to step up and whack them around.

I point out that there has never been fewer limited division fighters who have been able to step up in history (please note they are all champion boxers who have stepped up as well).

A bit contradictory to me. What a dilemma!

Join your OTNB friends in a "brain storming" session.

[B-Bomber]

And they always ignore the fact that a man in fighting shape over 175 is capable of taking ANY man out. Weight differentials matter less and less the further up the scale you go.

At flyweight, giving away 10lbs, say 112 to 122, is a big deal.

185 to 195 is way less of a problem. It's still an advantage if Both guys are fit, but it matters a whole lot less.

Jack Dempsey beat the living fck out of Jess Willard ffs. 6"1 185 lbs bouncing 6"6 245lbs off the canvas like a basketball, breaking his face in numerous places.

That could never happen between two fighters at say, 130 and 190. It would be borderline impossible.

Absolutely.

And that's the logic behind weight classes , it's about weight percentage.
That's why you have bigger 'jumps' the higher you go .

Super Flyweight is 115lbs, Bantamweight 118lbs , while the difference between Junior Welterweight and WW is already considerably higher (7lbs).

A 112 lbs fighting a 122lbs has a weight disadvantage of almost 10% while a 185 lbs fighting a 195 lbs only has a 5% ratio.

Of course it doesn't matter for some Klit fanatics, Pianeta would knock Frazier out in 5 because he is bigger and taller

[jas]

lol why bother to debate with klittards - they dksab