If HWs today are so much better because of size than...

[Elroy1]

byrd has the best win of any wlad opponent
byrd has the most title defenses of any wlad opponent
byrd beat the most top 10 fighters of any wlad opponent

why wouldn't he be the best? because you don't like his style? solid reason

Yeah I'll give you he has the best paper trail..

If the best win is Vitali, that's not even really legit now is it.

As for his effectiveness at modern HW and his dangerousness, he isn't really that good though, that's why we can't rate him that highly.

[Elroy1]

Must be trolling

Perhaps you would care or rather dare to weigh in with an answer to that other post I made.

None of you will because you know you put your foot in it

[daggum]

Yeah I'll give you he has the best paper trail..

If the best win is Vitali, that's not even really legit now is it.

As for his effectiveness at modern HW and his dangerousness, he isn't really that good though, that's why we can't rate him that highly.

yes its legit because he made vitali quit, and i know he's not that good. that's why its sad that he is wlad's best win. you seem to be basing your "who's good" off of the eye test. yeah haye is fast and has power but what did he do at heavy? barely beat valuev? povetkin has done nothing as well. you mentioned a completely shot rahman? why...

[Ray Corso]

Don't get to personal sonny my reach is extensive!!!

Try to ingest this and learn something instead of yaking like a little girl.

The Heavyweight Division is an "OPEN CLASS" there are NO weight limits involved!! Can you try to understand this!! This is how Armstrong and Bea Jack and any other crazy MFer who had popularity could challenge anyone at any weight in the division. Because the light heavy stops at 175 doesn't mean a light heavy can't fight at heavy at 175!!!! How dense are you that you can't understand this??????

We know you think Haye is a great fighter and that Wlad is your hero, its ok but stop running all over hear degrading Frazier and Ali. Your making a bigger fool out of yourself and much more importantly you down grading this forum into a joke! Relax for a day or two, go to a gym and get your azz handed to you hahaha!!!! Come visit Florida, you can go on the rides a in Orlando and I'll drive up to visit you! HA!!!
Ray.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Perhaps you would care or rather dare to weigh in with an answer to that other post I made.

None of you will because you know you put your foot in it

You listed a shot to **** Hasim Rahman who came in at short notice as one of Wlad's best wins

[Elroy1]

Thanks Ray, which failed to address anything. My post remains unassailable.

You can beat me up all you like Ray but it still wouldn't prove you were right.

Goodnight!

I don't remember mentioning Ali or Frazier in this thread.

And I only ever rubbish a boxer if I see they are being moronically compared.

[Suckmedry]

I think it's about time Elroy's carer took his laptop away the things this guy say make him seem like a troll, but the amount of effort and writing behind them are it seem like the guy truly believes this ****. Either way he's given everyone plenty of entertainment but now it's time that everyone just stops replying to this nutcase so he fades away. As ray corso said he's making this forum a lot worse with his bs cluttering the place up.

[wladavit]

Size doesn't keep Wladimir Klitschko from getting knocked out, his skills do. So size is overrated. Guy like Vitali and Wladimir are special because their great skills not their size. Smaller fighters would beat them if they had better skills.

[bojangles1987]

Size doesn't keep Wladimir Klitschko from getting knocked out, his skills do. So size is overrated. Guy like Vitali and Wladimir are special because their great skills not their size. Smaller fighters would beat them if they had better skills.

Totally agree. It's an insult to Wlad and Vitali when their fans denigrate small fighters and say mediocre fighters are better simply for being bigger. They always make the greatness argument about size.

Wlad's size isn't why he's an ATG HW. His skills are.

[Suckmedry]

Totally agree. It's an insult to Wlad and Vitali when their fans denigrate small fighters and say mediocre fighters are better simply for being bigger. They always make the greatness argument about size.

Wlad's size isn't why he's an ATG HW. His skills are.

And they always ignore the fact that a man in fighting shape over 175 is capable of taking ANY man out. Weight differentials matter less and less the further up the scale you go.

At flyweight, giving away 10lbs, say 112 to 122, is a big deal.

185 to 195 is way less of a problem. It's still an advantage if Both guys are fit, but it matters a whole lot less.

Jack Dempsey beat the living fck out of Jess Willard ffs. 6"1 185 lbs bouncing 6"6 245lbs off the canvas like a basketball, breaking his face in numerous places.

That could never happen between two fighters at say, 130 and 190. It would be borderline impossible.