Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[Boxing Goat]

I think Paulie is just mad he was never good enough to be considered in either Pac or May's big money sweepstakes. So now he's backing Floyd with Showtime and trying to bring Manny down.

It's disgusting. Floyd is just as guilty. Both of their legacies with be extremely tarnished for all the lame excuses they had not to fight each other.

I agree with the Paulie part and Floyd is the reason the fight is not happening, not just part of it.

[Divine Hammer]

Big difference between amateur and pro. Floyd started at 130 as a pro. As he's gone up in weight, the fights have become harder (notice how in his earlier days in the lower divisions he had power, but his last genuine KO came in 2007 against Hatton, then before that in 2005?). His power is less effective now because he's fighting bigger, stronger guys.

so pac only stopped 1 guy at welterweight.

pac's last KO was back in 2009.

and we hear constantly from a lot of guys that say pac doesn't hit that hard but that he catches you with shots you don't see.

[IMDAZED]

Big difference between amateur and pro. Floyd started at 130 as a pro. As he's gone up in weight, the fights have become harder (notice how in his earlier days in the lower divisions he had power, but his last genuine KO came in 2007 against Hatton, then before that in 2005?). His power is less effective now because he's fighting bigger, stronger guys.

I think, more importantly, Manny leaped from 130 to 135 to 147 in less than 9 months. So I never understood that whole amateur/professional comparison.

[The Hammer]

Big difference between amateur and pro. Floyd started at 130 as a pro. As he's gone up in weight, the fights have become harder (notice how in his earlier days in the lower divisions he had power, but his last genuine KO came in 2007 against Hatton, then before that in 2005?). His power is less effective now because he's fighting bigger, stronger guys.

Manny Pacquiao was Flyweight champion. He defeated Chatchai Sasakul to win the WBC belt (33-1).

At age 21, Pacquiao defended his World Flyweight (112), here's the details: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4761&cat=boxer

At age 21, Floyd fought at 130. He faced Jesus Chavez (1-13) a natural bantamweight who he got to move up. In fact, Floyd missed the agreed 130 weight for that fight, he was actually fighting at lightweight.

Floyd is a MUCH bigger man.

[Divine Hammer]

I think, more importantly, Manny leaped from 130 to 135 to 147 in less than 9 months. So I never understood that whole amateur/professional comparison.

pac's fight night weight against marquez 2 was 145 lbs. his fight night weight against oscar was 148 lbs.

so pac only went up 3 lbs.

only difference was he wasn't draining himself down to a skeleton to make 130.

[IMDAZED]

pac's fight night weight against marquez 2 was 145 lbs. his fight night weight against oscar was 148 lbs.

so pac only went up 3 lbs.

only difference was he wasn't draining himself down to a skeleton to make 130.

Fight night weight means little. Are you implying that overnight he gained all that muscle? No because that's ******. Comparing water weight to training to the 140's are two different things.

[DeadLikeMe]

You can see in this thread that what was common NSB opinion on here 3-4 years ago has moved way out to the fringe. Just shows how fairweather Pacman's fan base was (not that we all didn't know that).

[IMDAZED]

You can see in this thread that what was common NSB opinion on here 3-4 years ago has moved way out to the fringe. Just shows how fairweather Pacman's fan base was (not that we all didn't know that).

It's pretty impressive. So many people convinced Marquez is on steroids and demanding testing. Same people who said testing was for cowards. I'm impressed.

[JustinFloyd]

Manny did that with the 10 mil per lb overweight penalty. Floyd said ok and then asked for testing. is that cause and effect?

There is nothing wrong with asking Manny to take the same tests he was going to take. If he had asked Manny to take them and not him, then you'd have a valid complaint.

Me pointing out Manny refusing to take tests isn't bias, it's truth and fact. You know this so you try and make floyd at fault for asking they both test. That's ridiculous.

You keep trying to defend the indefensible. There wasn't then and isn't now a plausible reason for that decision that doesn't make the actions look su****ious.

FLOYD FAILED the scale before that negotiation BIG TIME, Pac did not failed any drug test... see the logic BIG FAT DUMB DUNN?

[Divine Hammer]

Fight night weight means little. Are you implying that overnight he gained all that muscle? No because that's ******. Comparing water weight to training to the 140's are two different things.

it means everything.

manny's move from super featherweight to welterweight isn't as incredible or impossible as people make it out to be. pac just doesn't have to drain himself down as much anymore or at all.