Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[Mindrapist]

We agree.

Walking away from a fight because your opponent suggested you both take tests raises su****ions.

Asking a different opponent to take the tests then saying no testing is needed when he asks you do same tests is even more su****ious.

I never said manny was guilty. All I said was his actions made him look su****ious.

At the very least.

And the best way to clear any su****ions before they could even mount was to take the tests and kick his a$$.

Instead he refused the tests, came up with illogical excuses, called it a ducking tactic even though the request was there in the first draft, asked for loopholes and announced testing (super su****ious), then LEFT the negotiating table, and ultimately sued the other side for requesting the tests.

(How anyone could blame Mayweather for this is beyond me.)

I don't care if you're the biggest Pacquiao fan in the world -- and I happen to be one -- but that is awfully su****ious to me.

Other guys later exposed as cheaters would use this lawsuit tactic to silence people as well. Lance Armstrong did it a lot. So did Shane Mosley, when he claimed ignorance and sued for the implication that he was aware that was doping.

Of course, he later admitted to knowing full well what he was doing, leading to a prompt dismissal of the case.

There are tons of other examples of cheaters getting defiant and going the legal route. The best way would've been to just take the test and destroy Floyd in the manner he did Cotto -- that would've silenced any su****ions before they could ever get life.

Instead they chose the other route. It stinks.

If I were a clean athlete in this predicament, I would definitely want to take the tests just to prove something and THEN sue, if the insinuations turned out to be unfounded.

If you took the tests, kicked his behind in the same destructive manner while proving it was natural, I'm sure your case -- from a legal standpoint -- would be stronger as well...

[Twako]

dunn please stop frontin.

you know damn well pacquiao has a set schedule each year and he always fights around the 3rd or 4th month of the new year then later in november. they couldnt come to an agreement and the approach date was looming for pacquiao to get a fight signed and start training and start the promotion.

floyd and manny couldnt agree on a lot of things contrary to what was reported and pacquiao walked away and signed on to fight clottey.

the dude is a freaking politician and star in that country. He wasnnt gonna wait forever for flloyd.

that's not evidence of ped use.

get fcking real.

fl()mos are used to floyd not doing anything year round except throw bills at hoes once in a while. they forgot that you can still be busy at real productive things in your non-boxing schedule. well most of floyds fans can identify with his idle lifestyle anyway, minus the moolah.

[tomhawq]

take the vada test, floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

Evidence should be conclusive. Meaning somebody has to actually witness dude sticking a needle in his arm, or somebody willing to step up and say they saw him drinking a banned substance.

Him beating cotto, or su****ious actions isn't real evidence. Sorry, Mayweather Sr saying he is juicing isn't evidence either, or posting before and after pictures of his head. If all that was legit, dude would be in court right now.

Would a positive blood test be clear evidence? If the answer is yes-we can guess why manny refused.

If the answer is no-its hard to understand the refusal.

[The Big Dunn]

take the vada test, floyd.

Take the vada test in the usa manny!

[The Big Dunn]

fl()mos are used to floyd not doing anything year round except throw bills at hoes once in a while. they forgot that you can still be busy at real productive things in your non-boxing schedule. well most of floyds fans can identify with his idle lifestyle anyway, minus the moolah.

Giving blood usually takes 2 minutes there is always time to give blood.

It's the cycling off that takes a lot more time.

[djtmal]

Tase like I said in my 1st post in the thread-there are instances where refusing to test is treated the same as testing positive. You can't get mad when I point this out.

You've had a number of reasons why manny didn't test. The only one you refuse to accept is not wanting to incriminate himself. You can keep pretending that is not a reason, others do not.

You will only accept a positive test as clear evidence because you know that isn't available because he wouldn't take tests that would have a better chance of catching use.

If you don't take Spanish class you won't get an A or an F. If not taking the best testing available isn't an issue for you, fine.

So basically manny is like a young girl who won't take a pregnancy test and you are her girlfriend who declares her not pregnant because there is no positive test.

Carry on.

The only way this garbage analogy holds merit is if Pacquaio actually refused to take a test, which has been proven false, yet you still are trying to pimp this falsehood.

[Evol]

I've never used the feelings is hurt crap. That's a pac fan tactic. If you can understand manny refusing testing over feelings you should prob understand anyone who says floyd feelings were hurt when bob compared in to goebbels and hitler.

But we both know this was never about feelings.

No, the hurt feelings is what the Floyd fans says when asked why Floyd just now decided he will never work with arum but how come he didn't feel this way in 09-2012.

The Floyd fans said well maybe after all the years trying to negotiate a fight with arum getting in the way and the how arum treated Floyd when floyd was still under him so Floyd's feelings was hurt so that's why he just now decided the he won't do business with arum anymore. I'm just using what they've been saying back at them.

[The Big Dunn]

At the very least.

And the best way to clear any su****ions before they could even mount was to take the tests and kick his a$$.

Instead he refused the tests, came up with illogical excuses, called it a ducking tactic even though the request was there in the first draft, asked for loopholes and announced testing (super su****ious), then LEFT the negotiating table, and ultimately sued the other side for requesting the tests.

(How anyone could blame Mayweather for this is beyond me.)

I don't care if you're the biggest Pacquiao fan in the world -- and I happen to be one -- but that is awfully su****ious to me.

Other guys later exposed as cheaters would use this lawsuit tactic to silence people as well. Lance Armstrong did it a lot. So did Shane Mosley, when he claimed ignorance and sued for the implication that he was aware that was doping.

Of course, he later admitted to knowing full well what he was doing, leading to a prompt dismissal of the case.

There are tons of other examples of cheaters getting defiant and going the legal route. The best way would've been to just take the test and destroy Floyd in the manner he did Cotto -- that would've silenced any su****ions before they could ever get life.

Instead they chose the other route. It stinks.

If I were a clean athlete in this predicament, I would definitely want to take the tests just to prove something and THEN sue, if the insinuations turned out to be unfounded.

If you took the tests, kicked his behind in the same destructive manner while proving it was natural, I'm sure your case -- from a legal standpoint -- would be stronger as well...

Tase is correct that the circumstantial evidence is weak. He just can't admit the actions to prevent concrete evidence form being obtained is su****ious.

[The Big Dunn]

The only way this garbage analogy holds merit is if Pacquaio actually refused to take a test, which has been proven false, yet you still are trying to pimp this falsehood.

What were the results from the jmm 4 fight?